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The thing is that people have different point of views based on their different personalities and experiences and whether we like it or not based on sex. A lot of women are on Felicity's side and most men are on Oliver's. Me personally I am a woman, but I am on Oliver's side merely, because I have been on his position. Two people are there in the relationship together and share one path, but each one of them still remains independent individual with having things that are just theirs. IF one of them decides that they want to deal with things that concerns just them, it is their right. A secret is awful thing only if it directly affect the other one. It's like trying to top a really high steep pike in a mountain, you go there with a partner and you are both tied with a rope, so your life depends on them, but in the end every step you make further depends only on you, you make the decision where to put you leg next, if you slip you partner can hold you and pull you back or fall with you, or just cut the cord and let you fall. Oliver didn't ask Felicity about his son, he didn't share with her about this step, he was going to make and he slipped, what she did is to cut the rope. This is one of the things that made me stop shipping the couple. The other is that they took this awesome female character, that was so precious and so unique on her own and turned her into mere love interest. She was there to create conflict and divide the fandom. And she still divides the fandom, based on the stories they give her. Before she was like Diggle, a partner, a friend, there to be a hero on her own, like with the Slade thing. She was more interesting than Diggle, but Diggle got his stories who are solely for him and she became supporting character of drama and relationships. I agree that Oliver is really not a relationship material for more than one reason, but that is why his love drama should have been with people outside the team or with a character that does not inspire drama and has her development outside the relationship. In recent interview Amell said the couple broke because of lack of trust. Well if those two never became more than partners than this would have never been the case. They both trust each other with their lives but broke up because of lack of trust. Where is the common sense here that I have to root for that couple.

I also think that it will be a step back, if they revert to Rip being the captain. First: it will be repetition and second: him being captain was not really exciting story, he was quite boring one. I guess they have to give him more emotional brake down after he is saved, because of the things he has done. Like Sara felt she was a monster after her resurrection, he probably will be very drained emotionally and psychologically after what he did and also feel like a monster. Sara left Star city when she realized her sister took her place and Rip probably has to leave and try to recover. I also love how you described Sara as her own character, I also love that about her, she was written like that from day one, when she appeared as Canary on Arrow. She had her own story and characters to support her, even Oliver was there to support her fights. She had this amazing interesting, intense story with the league and Nyssa. That is why she became my favorite female character, because she can be in relationship, but that does not define her, she had her own dark back story and own little universe of supporting characters and her own fights. I still wish though she is more main now on Legends and we can see more exploration of her past. On Legends everyone is their own character, no one is there to support someone, so they are all equally main, so there is not much screen time to develop one character more than the others. That's why most of them are undeveloped and flat. Sara has her background from Arrow and has a lot of potential for interesting new stories and also exploration of her past, but they just don't do it, because she is not the main character, like Barry and Oliver are.

So Billy was just a casual sex for her, a distraction? Why she kept it a secret then? And isn't it unfair for him that she started dating him while she was emotionally unavailable? I still think that she was falling for him, but didn't want to admit it. The other confusing thing for me is - was Felicity jealous from fake Laurel? Does this mean she still have feelings for Oliver? Or she simply doesn't want him back, but does not want him to move on from her?

I hope Nate and Rip are the one that leave the show for the next season. Nate is the worst version of Ray, almost identical in personality, but more arrogant, and Rip is whiny hypocrite. I don't mind if Stain leaves too, although I like him, he gets a lot of boring stories, that I really could not care less. I really like Amaya and I hope she stays and we see more from her. I also hope they bring in another female character. I also like Jax a lot, so hope he gets more stories next season. For me this show would not exist without Sara, so she obviously won't leave. What would be perfect formula for me is less main cast, a trio or may be four people and the rest are more background supporting characters.

So this new promo looks amazing. I am really excited for the new Tina character. She looks bad ass and the show needs more female characters anyway. Hope she sticks around and fans didn't kill her.

I am really confused by Felicity's feelings towards Billy too. It clearly seemed that she cares for him, because it was important for her, more than anything to get to Prometheus. He was not just a casual relationship. She was deeply hurt from his lost, more than she was hurt from loosing a friend. But on the other hand she just can't admit that to Oliver, I guess she does not want to hurt his feelings, but he already knows, that she moved on, and that she cared for Billy. So what is so difficult to just speak to him and tell him that his pain towards Laurel is equal to her pain towards Billy and they should figure a way out to catch Prometheus and try redeem BS.

I totally agree with you. First Vixen is way more interesting character, she has real powers, mysticism, and she comes from JSA. Her character has a lot of possibilities for story lines and to be more up front, opinionated, may be give advises to Sara or organize some mission. I am sure that she is probably master of disguise, and a very good judge of character, because of her close connection to animals, which are also very instinctive and intuitive creatures. Nate on the other hand is a mediocre character with no substance. He is arrogant and foolish, acts like 15 years old. He gain his super powers by injection, no real struggle, no real development or crusade. He is also very unbelievable as a nerdy boy because of his looks. And I find it really degrading that he thought that helping the team with his knowledge is not heroic enough. He has to parade as a macho man in order to feel self confident. He is this boring stereotype but he gets front and central story lines and position in the show. Why?! We need more female characters on that show with their own story lines. We need more female friendships. Girls that kick ass, are bad ass and have their own developments and struggles. I think 3 girls and 4 guys is a good balance.

Yes I am also frustrated about the gender balance too. We have so many male characters and only two female characters and one of them is basically on the background with no story and the other is more used for the action and rarely has more personal stories. On the other hand all the male characters have bromance stories and fooling around, which makes them so stupid and childish and really hard to care for them sometimes. Ray and Nate are so alike that I don't even see the point why both of them are on that show.

God, why do people even ship this couple. I am so confused. He is this horrible boyfriend and yet people all over twitter want her back with him?! As I see it from all the analyses how he strayed away and the whole son secret, Oliver wanted a way out, he is this man, scared of commitment. The whole 'will you marry me' was so unbelievable anyway. A guy like him would never propose after six months of relationship, especially when he knows that this girl is not going anywhere and is not in a hurry for marriage. Felicity deserves better. Maybe she will find her committed, mentally and emotionally stable man after all, if the writers decide to let her really move on.

I re-watched the episode 4x10, because of all the discussion how Oliver puts his needs above hers and there were 5 scenes with him in the hospital: two scenes with him and Felicity alone, one with Laurel, one with the mother outside and one in the beginning of the episode. Just saying. I don't know what exactly people expect to see from that show. But again even if we put aside my believe that Oliver was actually very supportive and perfect boyfriend to Felicity, more than any guy I know in reality, and the fact that he treated Laurel worse, I will agree that Felicity's story suffers because of his. The moment they broke up she began to have real story, which was only about her and not about him. So as her fan I am happy she is no longer in relationship with him, not only because it seems he does not treat her well, but because now she will have the chance to develop more as a character. And I like him alone too, because I am kind of tired of him apologizing and feeling unworthy of someone. I hope he regains his self esteem.

Well for the argument who is the better leader, I think if we put that aside, because everyone has his/hers favorite, we all can agree, I think, that being a captain is something a person should acquire by qualities and work and once you stepped down from the position, due to what ever reasons, you don't just take it back, because it used to be yours. What I mean is that Rip is no longer a captain, just because he was once, does not mean he can't have successors. So now it is Sara, so I don're really see a reason, why she should give up the position to someone, who previously occupied it, but no longer does, when she proved herself as a good captain.

never said that, i am not saying he was right, just saying that this is part of his personality, he believed he was helping her by being out there on the street trying to stop Darhk. In the end a story will not be interesting if the protagonist is perfect.

Laurel was in a hospital? Or you are saying when she died? Yes he was there. I had other moments as an example, but I guess, overall I mean, he just reacts like that, irrationally. He was out there on the street because he thought that this is what he should do to help her, stop Darhk.

About Rip it was just the way I interpret his actions and what happened. If I remember correctly he wanted to die in the end of s1 and went straight to the sun, but changed his mind (i can be wrong, because it was long ago i watched that episode), so this suggests that his mission is over, once he killed Savage and could not save his family. Now in the beginning of this season he sent everybody to some specific timeline and had specific plan for himself, which we will find out probably in the next episode. My speculations are that he on purpose erased his memories so he can live a normal life, but it can be something else. Sara has the best experience as a leader because she of her past. Nate is just historian turned superhero with an injection, Ray is silly scientist with big ego, Stain proved to be incompetent in battle, Jax is too young, Mick is an antihero, Rip is a selfish leader who brought all these people for his personal vendetta and lied to them. In the end it proved that most of his decisions were wrong.

I don't like the baby mama drama too, poor writing, forced plot lines. There were so many more interesting and not forced possibilities to separate the couple if they wanted to. But in a way I get it why Oliver was not on the chair next to her, although he was in the end, so he redeemed himself. I think, this is who he is, and the writers wanted to be true to his personality, he is not a man that sits and holds someone's hand. He goes out there and beats people up. He didn't went to Tommy's funeral, his mother funeral, he was not there next to Laurel or Thea for their losses. He was never perfect boyfriend, never perfect at dealing with relationships, pain and loss. He is very conflicted, flawed, dark man. And I like that about him, it makes it more interesting to explore his development.