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This is the last I'll say on this, I know everyone is sick of reading about it...I know the university itself is Baptist, but it is far from the only tenant of Christianity there (I even knew a few who were Atheists), was my point, and indeed in conservative circles as far as Christian Schools go, it is one of the more liberal, as I mentioned Pensicola (dating chaperones, etc). As for witnessing, Baptists are into that, so while it isn't my cup of tea unless a situation warrants it (very few do), I dismissed it as part of that denomination and did not participate in the "organized" witnessing...which is ridiculous. I was in a position to interact with the Chancellor of the University regularly, and at no time was my opinion squashed. I like dresses, so the pants ban wasn't an issue for me (it was only during class while I was there) but my complaint largely rested with 'causing men to sin' by wearing a skirt above my knee, and was quite vocal about it to the higher-ups (they'll do the same if I wear sweatpants!). All of this was to say I don't think a rigid Fundamentalist family would feel comfortable at Liberty, as there are many opinions there. Perhaps it was the crop of kids I attended with. What you describe was not my experience. Many of us used to groan when Falwell (Sr) would say something we'd have to spend the next year apologizing for. I will say that though that Liberty was very very conservative in every possible way at its founding and in the 80s and early 90s. By the time I attended, we had little in common with alumni from that time. Finding a good accredited Christian University that had some social life (football team, baseball, drama) was difficult and a lot who attended Liberty with me wanted a christian 'flavored' education, but had no association with the Fundy realm. :)

I don't think so. Most that I know don't. I have a lot of Catholic friends (even married one). I personally find there is too much division in the church and we waste our days arguing over such nonsense as whether to be sprinkled or dunked. On Topic: I think since its reality tee vee that they can only document, not intervene (within reason, of course). I'd love to hear the stories, I'm sure they have a lot!

This right here. As far as a school that would be more comfortable for Duggers, et al, I would lean more toward something like Pensicola, although I'm not sure if their rules have changed. At Liberty, we could date unchaperoned. What a disturbing thought to take a 3rd wheel.... And to that, I want to add I didn't mean it as a defensive statement, I thought it was funny and was a bit bewildered by the comment. Everyone I went to school with was more or less like me, very few were Fundy...at least that I knew of. I'm trying to think if any of my friends were Baptists, I know I never was.

Huh. I went to Liberty and never was, nor ever have been a Fundy. Good to know.

Asunder means "into pieces". Like marriage vows, "What God has joined together let no man put asunder." I'm sure he thought it meant "underground", like "I'm going in!" However, I could see the case for him going to pieces over having to enter prison and leave his family. It is just that I don't think "asunder" is part of his usual vocabulary. I have no idea why I think that....?

I don't know if this is true everywhere, but my husband has dual citizenship (here and the Dominican Republic) - the last time he renewed his passport, he was made to surrender his Dominican passport if he wanted an American one. I agree, the US ignores other citizenships and it is still quite beneficial to be able to call on the US Embassy, should the need arise. I think she's foolish to throw it away like she is.

Indeed I have. Been there, done that. Unfortunately, I had a lot of baggage going in, just like Beth. He removed me from my family, friends and kept me waiting for him at home. He wanted to visit his family in another state every weekend too. He learned just enough about me to get sufficient ammunition to destroy me. He lied to me about things that my parents told him. When I announced the divorce (after 7 years of marriage counseling), he bee-lined to my parents to try to convince them I had a psychotic break and needed treatment. When I refused, I received threatening anonymous letters, and phone calls from my mother "negotiating" a reconciliation with my soon-to-be ex. No one could believe my "oh so perfect husband" was capable of what I alleged. He had me so in his clutches, I doubted myself the whole way through the proceedings. Happily, we had no children to drag through this - my heart goes out to little Bryn... this will be really tough for her. My condolences to you and others who have suffered this kind of heartache.

I agree Copa, and I hope that they can come through it with a different perspective, at least for Kingsley's sake. I'm sorry that this brought up a difficult time for you. You're a good mama, I'm thrilled your son is thriving! Bravo (and Andy) can jump in a lake (or off a cliff, I'm not picky)... :D

Delurking to comment on the Josh/Kristen situation: It occurs to me that there might be some resentment on Josh's part that Kingsley has special needs. He might be harboring anger towards Kristen, in that he might blame her for Kingsley's condition. Because his genes couldn't possibly produce a child with special needs...or some such. He very busily runs a successful business and does mud runs...he married a model. It seems that he did everything possible to "create" a Type A perfect child and didn't get that, and now he's resentful of both Kingsley and Kristen. As if he refuses to accept reality. It would explain the dust up about dinner...(dinner, for crying out loud!) and the lack of engagement in his child's treatment and care. He might retreat into his job because his ideal family is somehow "messed up". It almost seems as if he's raising his hand and asking for a "do over". Now perhaps he blames himself directly for Kingsley's condition and all of these behaviors are his way of (badly) coping. Therapy would be a great idea for all of them. Short of that, a few long heartfelt conversations with Heather and her husband on coping and their unique parenting struggles would do them a world of good. Aannnd that's my armchair therapist critique of the day.....as you were. ;P