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I feel bad for her. I think she might still be hung up on him, although I think it's fairly clear at this point that she's low on his priority list. She's defending him and talking about how "extremely handsome" he is, while he's out there living his life and having a good time. Just take a look at his Instagram -- no mention of Catherine, the show, but plenty of pictures of him with other girls, going out, having fun. Like others have mentioned, Graham actually seemed like a fairly normal teen. I doubt he honestly expected that Catherine would develop such deep feelings, without even meeting in person. He also seems like the kind of guy with a ton of options in real life, so my best guess is that he was just talking to Catherine when he was bored/didn't have anything to do, but didn't really see her as potential romantic prospect or even a friend he'd want to integrate into his real life.

I think that's a fair reaction, because it seems rather bizarre to use someone else's picture to catfish people online if you're attractive enough to lure them from your own pictures and/or attractive enough to have no issues dating/meeting folks offline. Although, this ignores the reality that sometimes people are just bored and want to talk with someone -- without any real interest in forging a relationship, romantic or otherwise, with them -- and might want to use a fake name/picture to do so, so that there are no real-life ties to that online connection.

This was such a disturbing episode. On one hand, I was genuinely concerned about Spencer's mental health and had trouble finding his delusions funny, because he seemed so dead serious that he was dating Katy Perry, despite incredibly obvious red flags that he wasn't. Why in the world would Katy Perry call herself Katy Perry online? Or post unreleased versions of her songs on YouTube? None of it would make sense to anyone with half a brain, so I can only imagine that there were some deeper mental issues at play (or that Spencer just really, really wanted to be on TV, and was willing to look insane to do it). I hope he gets the help he needs. If I were Katy Perry, I'd also be concerned for my safety. He seemed far too convinced that there was a real relationship there, and that would be troubling to me, if I were her. He seems like a potential stalker with a loose grip on reality.

Yes, I completely agree. Jared's attraction to Jade early on last season also makes sense in terms of type. Both Caila and Jade are very girl-next-door pretty. Ashley I. is very beautiful (in my opinion) and should have no problem attracting guys, if she tones down the crazy. She needs to learn that you can never truly persuade someone to like you (and honestly, why would you want to?). Even if they "give in," it's usually very short-lived until they find someone they actually like.

Emily is delusional if she thinks she's prettier than Caila. While Emily is certainly not ugly, it's fairly clear that she puts a ton of effort into looking as good as she does, while Caila looks very naturally and effortlessly beautiful. There's nothing wrong with make-up or 'trying' to look good (I love make-up as much as the next girl!), but I can see how Caila would appeal to more men -- especially one like Jared, who previously turned down Ashley I. (who is also very attractive, but has that same sort of artificial look about her as the twins do). In contrast, Jared was very interested in Jade last season (before she and Tanner became an item) and Jade has a fairly low-maintenance/naturally beautiful look about her, as well. Evan is just... awkward. I don't know what to make of him. His conversation with Josh was bizarre -- like, regardless of what happened (or didn't happen) between Josh and Andi, that's for Amanda to discuss with Josh, if she chooses to. I'm no Amanda fan, but she did ask him about the book on their date and seemed satisfied with his answer, so that's that. Evan rushing in to demand answers from Josh just comes across stupid and desperate... if I were Josh, I wouldn't have even bothered with inspirational platitudes and just told him to mind his own business. Also kinda random: I hated Nick on both seasons of Bachelorette but he's now my favorite guy on BiP and by far, the most attractive one there.

Exactly. I don't doubt that Jordan might settle down with someone but I find it highly unlikely that that girl will be JoJo. He doesn't seem that into her, besides perhaps being physically attracted. In most of their scenes together, it feels like JoJo was pulling teeth in order to get some validation and reassurance from Jordan. It's especially noticeable since she's the one with all of the power -- yet was doing mental gymnastics to turn a blind eye to Jordan's overall hesitation. I don't know, from the very start, I've never felt any real love for JoJo from Jordan (whereas, looking at the past two seasons, Shawn was clearly crazy about Kaitlyn from the start, while Ben looked at Lauren B. like she was the best thing since sliced bread).

Pretty much. I loved the last minute save from Jordan with the phone call to her parents and the letter -- JoJo was begging him at every turn to give her something that would validate her ultimate decision to pick him and he wasn't making that particularly easy for her.

Soraya (JoJo's mom) was spot on in her assessment of both Jordan and JoJo. She knows that Jordan is a trust/insecurities disaster waiting to happen. She could also tell that JoJo was too blinded by her love for Jordan to listen to reason and had made up her mind at that point. Her reaction to Jordan not asking her father's permission was too hysterical for it to have been anyone else but Jordan. I loved Soraya's interjection in the middle of JoJo's meltdown that she also needed to be asked -- not just the father.

I thought her response to him was rather weak. But then again, it's hard to defend her final two -- one most definitely dumped his ex to be on this show and is laughably insincere (ILY on the first date? Yeah... either he's not genuine or he's mentally unstable), while the other is, rather obviously, desperate for fame (wasn't he using that celeb-only dating app for a while, even though he's not a celebrity in any capacity and most people would never connect the dots between him and Aaron, unless he tells them?) and cheated on his ex? There's not much worth defending, and it felt like JoJo backed down when she realized that the crowd was actually expecting her to 'go off,' as she claimed that she could. It's not just the death -- Chad's behavior was likely the result of a mixture of factors: (1) Probably being somewhat of a jerk/troll in real life and being willing to play a villain for fun (2) Not having any genuine interest in JoJo (3) Being stuck all day with guys he didn't like without TV, Internet, books, and other people to distract him (4) No other girls he might be interested in pursuing around (5) AND his mother's recent death. I can imagine all of those things might come together to create the "villain" we saw.

Yes, perhaps. Although, I wonder if they might now get along better since they've both been trash-talked by Andi at this point.

It is so ironic to me that Carly, the one thoroughly convinced of how fake and insincere Britt was being, is now the one with three Bachelor appearances (Bachelor, BIP2, and now BIP3) under her belt, and Britt has faded away into relative obscurity.

I'm not basing my perception *just* on what Aubrey/Brandi have said, but also his behavior -- one episode, when they were coaching each other and going on blind dates, he immediately asked whether it would be someone who he'd be attracted to. Another episode, when they went on the "blind" mixer, he initially picked one girl (the same one that Calum picked first), and it was clear that once he saw her, he wasn't interested (even though Calum offered her to him, after he said that she was his first pick) and choose his second choice instead. I also think of a "10" as being more than just the outer appearance -- it's about an entire package (as you said: beautiful, intelligent, kind, etc). And I think that's where Josh gets tripped up (the whole needing to see the woman he's dating as "the one" seems like a more complicated way of saying that he doesn't want to waste time with anyone he doesn't meet his wife standards). I don't doubt that Josh might want to be married with children, but does he want to be married and taking care of someone else's kids? Those are two very different scenarios. Going off what I've seen of his personality (seems fairly traditional, "proper" -- I don't see these as necessarily bad qualities, to be clear) and what Andi has said about him (not being able to get over the idea of Andi being intimate with another man), I have A LOT of trouble believing that Amanda (single mom, broken marriage, two kids in tow, not professionally impressive) is his idea of a total package. It might just be me, but I think what Josh wants is similar to Andi superficially (beautiful, smart, no baggage) but more conservative, less attitude/no temper, and more into traditional with gender roles.

I am curious to see how the Josh/Amanda relationship plays out. I recently watched a few episodes of 'Famously Single' and if anything, Josh seems like the type of guy who is very picky with his women. He's not looking for anything less than a 10. That adds up to what Andi accuses him of in the book too (it seems like her FS time with Nick ruined his ideal image of her as his future wife, and he just couldn't get past it). So I just don't see Josh settling down with a woman who has two kids from another relationship, no matter how pretty or sweet, because it doesn't square with the kind of woman that he seems to be looking for.

To be fair, he probably was, amongst that group of men.

Gio is a nut. I don't understand his whole tirade about putting himself first, and how he's there for his match. Doesn't he realize that even in the (highly unlikely) case that Julia is his match, she wants nothing to do with him, so they would be a match in name only. She couldn't get away from him fast enough when he cornered her. I'm glad that she laid it out clearly for him during the match ceremony, but he still didn't seem to get the hint. So sad. The weirdest part is that I do think that Kaylen is still hung up on him, which is why she went off on Francesca. While I do think Francesca lacks self-esteem and self-awareness, I'm not sure that Kaylen was justified in going after her like that, when the person she was actually mad at was Gio. Also, I'm glad Cam cleared things up with Victoria, and he wasn't deliberately giving her the cold shoulder after hooking up. I think they make a cute couple. And SAM AND ALYSSA! Those two are so adorable together, love them! I have no idea what Asaf is doing right now -- he wants Francesca, he wants Tori, then he wants Francesca, then Camille, now back to Francesca? He needs to make up his mind and try to actually develop some depth in those relationships instead of bouncing around.

To be honest, I highly doubt any of them (including JoJo herself) are actually in love. It's just tradition to break out the big ILYs during either the hometowns or the FS episodes.

Perhaps, but I actually think it's the opposite for her in real life. If her relationship and attraction to Jordan is any indicator, my bet is that she tends to go after men that are not as into her as she is into them. I don't know her in real life (obviously), so I can only speculate, but I think she might be one of those women that chases after men because she mistakenly interprets the volatility/uncertainty of such relationships as "sparks" and "passion." I don't actually believe that Ben would have been her type in real life, but in the Bachelor bubble, it fits the same pattern of him being the challenge she has to win over. I thought it was telling that in that infamous bathroom conversation (after Ben shared with her that he also loved Lauren) that she said something along the lines of, "I'm so tired of competing!" Add to the fact that in earlier conversations about her ex, she talked about how he was never completely available to her. Basically, I think she keeps going after dudes that she knows aren't as into her, with the mistaken belief that she can somehow change their minds. Just look at her with Jordan -- she is constantly seeking reassurance and validation from him, most likely because he's not really giving it to her. Yes, he's saying all the right things, but just from my experience as a girl dating in general, you know when a guy is really invested in you. And you know when he isn't. And right now, I just feel like Jordan is acting (and struggling with it, at that). He always looks so stumped when she asks him fairly straightforward questions, almost like he wants to throw up his hands and be like, "Look, I said ILY right? Can you just drop it and move forward, so we can enjoy our 15 minutes of fame before breaking up when I find someone hotter and/or more famous?" I think JoJo realizes this on some level (which is why we keep getting the questioning of "but howwww do you know it's forever?!!!") but is unwilling to accept it, because she's still falling into that same trap of wanting to win over the unavailable/disinterested dudes over the ones who really like her.

I don't understand why JoJo would think it was a good idea to extend the invitation to the Fantasy Suite, have Chase pour out his heart, and then send him home. It would have been so quick and relatively less painful to just send him home before FS at dinner, or at the RC. No need to add insult to injury by sending him home five minutes after he'd just told you he loved you. It's so tacky to wait for the ILY, instead of cutting them off beforehand -- I hated that she waited for Alex to do it as well, and I found it heartless when Kaitlyn did it to Nick while he was proposing. Is it for the ego boost? I don't know. But whatever the case, there's no reason to ask someone to "open up" and share their feelings, when you KNOW (and JoJo had to have known) that you'll be dumping them shortly. The most ridiculous part of the whole situation were JoJo's theatrical tears (I mean, Chase was the one getting dumped, and he seemed a little more composed compared to JoJo's over-the-top sobbing), and her need to be comforted (!!!) by Chase. Why in the world did she think it was right, appropriate, or necessary to be comforted by Chase in that moment, when he was still digesting what had happened? If that's not a sign of JoJo's emotional immaturity and/or selfishness, I'm not sure what is. In those cases, it's best to let the person who is actually hurt retreat and gather themselves, instead of demanding that they cater to your emotional needs ("Chase, I don't want you to think of me like this blah blah blah"). I loved Chase's reaction though, and thought he was spot on with what he said -- I wish he hadn't been forced to go back and apologize, because I don't think he reacted inappropriately, or rudely, given the situation and how she sprung it on him right after his confession of love. #ChaseforBachelor? Lastly, we all know it's Jordan. Jordan is sleazy as per usual, and is trying his hardest to come across sincere while JoJo desperately seeks validation and reassurance that she can safely pick him and live happily ever after. But she won't, because he's clearly not as into her as she is into him, and it's just sad. If anything, this season has made it crystal clear why JoJo has had relationship trouble -- I just don't think she's ready for a real relationship yet, and seems to be oblivious to the glaring red flags Jordan is displaying all over. Side note: Is it just me, or does JoJo mention Ben *a lot*? I don't know. I get her mentioning him a few times earlier on, because the last season was still fresh in her memory, but we're almost at the end of her season now. If she's expecting these men to be "in love" with her (lol) already, then I think we can expect her to stop referencing Ben all the time. It's just a bit weird how she brings him up.

I agree with all of this. Brandi is just coming across very desperate and it's not a good look. I think Josh pisses off the other castmates because he's unwilling to make himself stupid, pathetic, or desperate for the sake of "good" television. While I can imagine his fixation on appearances might be irritating, Josh is a fairly good-looking, athletic dude -- so I don't think he's punching above his weight or being unreasonable with his expectations, because he likely doesn't have much trouble finding beautiful women to date in real life.

Yes. Ever since we found out how Caleb and Hanna broke up, it has irritated me how the blame was shifted onto Hanna's shoulders, when in reality, she had to go for her job. Maybe they were drifting apart, maybe Caleb was not into Hanna's lifestyle, but still, that wasn't the right way to end a long-term relationship. It just isn't. Throwing a tantrum and then skipping town without your phone? That's just rude and uncalled for, especially when Hanna didn't seem particularly psyched about having to leave for her job either. Maybe I'm reading too far into the Hanna/Caleb flashbacks, but it seems like Caleb was just entire baby about the whole situation and wasn't willing to be supportive of Hanna's career. It was like he was so above it all, and therefore, wasn't even willing to fake being supportive of her career.

I think that Kieran is not telling the entire truth about whatever happened with his mom and stepfather's accident, because Eli made it seem far juicier than the version Kieran told Emma. Also, based on Eli and Kieran's earlier interactions, I think Kieran is just as sketchy as Eli, but that he's been trying to "remake" himself as a good guy in Lakewood. With Audrey, I also think she's been downplaying her involvement and knowledge about what went down last season--it would be one thing for her to have brought Piper to Lakewood, quite another if she had been hiding the fact that she knew who the killer was for an entire season. There was some speculation that during the party last season, Audrey had recognized the killer, and if that's the case, I can imagine a fair number of people holding her accountable for the murders, even if she kept quiet out of fear for her life.

That... was a lot of cake for a tasting. I want to sympathize with Whitney, but her behavior and attitude about her trainer was so off-putting. If she's not interested in making a change, why pretend? Just be honest. There's no point in making excuses, all the while continuing to break the rules by eating cake, etc. If Will decides to dump her as a client, it would be totally understandable, because as the saying goes, you can't help someone if they do not want to help themselves. I am frankly surprised that Whitney is so laissez-faire about getting back into shape, even though in the last few episodes we have seen -- and Whitney has admitted -- how much her weight has affected her overall health. From the skiing incident, to biking, to her back problems, her weight is now a hindrance. I would have hoped that was a wake-up call that she needs to make some changes. No one is saying, as she seems to wrongly assume, that she needs to be a size 2. If she, as she claims repeatedly, wants to be fat, then dropping 100+ pounds would still keep her fat, but at least would eliminate some of the mobility/health issues she's experiencing right now. The comedian was a bit much, and I didn't enjoy her routine, but I think she made very valid points about food being an addiction for some people. Now I'm not an authority on this, but I do think that there's something very odd about people using food as a form of therapy (e.g. "I'm stressed, I wanted food") for emotions. To me, you eat when you're hungry. That's all -- eating when you're sad, stressed, angry, bored, etc. doesn't seem to be very healthy or productive. But I can understand how many of us develop these emotional crutches (depending on the person, this can be food, alcohol, cigarettes, shopping sprees, it can really be anything), but I think the crux of the comedian's argument is the need to address, instead of excuse, these habits.

Pretty much. Chase is the only one left of the four that I'd personally tune in for. Robby is just... off. I don't find Luke particularly attractive and Jordan is obviously her F1. So that really leaves Chase as the only option, unless they're willing to reach further that F4 for their choice. I liked Wells a lot, but I know that TPTB would not be into that, no matter how popular he might be, since he doesn't fit the stereotypical Bachelor image.

Alex is... a lot. I don't think she understands how she comes across -- in person and on-screen. I also read her blog, and I think it was unfair of her to admit that yes, she wanted Alicia to back off because she didn't believe that Alicia would date Tyler in real life. At the end of the day, Alicia walked right for him, wanted to go to the villa with him, and clearly, was ready to get to know him. Just because she wasn't jumping all over him doesn't mean that she wanted him any less than Alex.

This is such a boring season. I just can't see it working out with any of the remaining men (although I do like Chase, and wish he could be the next Bachelor -- I think he has a very Ben H. quality about him) and JoJo. Perhaps that's why it's so boring? The only real emotions here are JoJo's feelings for Jordan, but whenever I see them together, it doesn't feel like a couple in love -- it feels like a girl who has an enormous crush on a guy that's just not that into her. And I think JoJo, on some level, can feel it too, which is why she keeps seeking validation from Jordan that his feelings are real. I'm not saying that Jordan doesn't like JoJo, but I think he's still in a place of "this girl is hot, I'd date her for a bit" but definitely not smitten or "in love" the way he claims to be -- and the way JoJo clearly feels with him.