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Katsullivan

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  1. Gee, I wonder if it has something to do with this: I mean you basically make my own case for me here: Yes, Arya was written as an irrational psychopath who was falling for planted letters and paper-thin frame-ups while Sansa was the clever one (who took all season to see through Littlefinger's framing but let's not quibble). It's almost as if you're making my point for me or something. Thank you so much for this! You pretty much put in two sentences what I spent my, as described, very LONG post, trying to say. I mean we literally just had this conversation. Me, complaining about the writing: "it's nonsensical that Arya considers Sansa the smartest person she's ever met, the narrative makes everyone around Sansa an idiot to prop her up. This is bad writing" Sansa stan: "But everyone around Sansa is an idiot". Me: 🤦‍♀️
  2. That's semantics. If anything, the fact that Arya has been to Essos, means that Sansa is the smartest person that Arya has met in 2 continents. Which is patently ridiculous. If being alive is all it takes to be smart, then everybody that is alive in present day in the show is the "smartest person that Arya has ever met". The fact that Sansa just short weeks ago (or whatever it is in showtime) was willing to be manipulated by the man that sold her to be raped and would have murdered her own sister, the same Arya who is now praising her intelligence is patently ridiculous. At the very least, I think a bar for intelligence would be "does not require a seer to tell her when the pimp who's been messing with my life is doing so yet again." The fact that Littlefinger was even in Winterfell for as long as he did in season 7 when Sansa had, by all rights, the loyalty of the Lords of the Vale since season 5 when she admitted her identity - is just ridiculous. For the record: Survival =/= intelligence. Being the object of obsession of men (the Hound, Littlefinger) who've been eager to protect her because of their neuroses, an obsession with her mother, or loyalty to her House, doesn't make her intelligent. About the only person in the show whose loyalty Sansa has cultivated entirely her own merit is Theon ---- in a plot that never existed in the book. The show had a great opportunity to show Sansa use her political smarts to win over the Northern Houses when she and Jon were petitioning for help - and they dropped the ball and gave that to Davos, and later had Jon crowned King even though Sansa won the war (with the army that Littlefinger got for her, btw). They could have had Sansa circumvent Littlefinger entirely in season 6/Battle of the bastards and had her get the army straight from the Lords of the Vale. They could have had Sansa be crowned Queen in the North after the battle of the bastards - as was her right by birth and conquest - and instead gave it to Jon after he failed up. They could have even still crowned Jon, but this time given Lyanna's speech to Sansa, and made it out that she was deliberately putting herself "behind" the Crown, learning from her mentors that this way she could have the power without making herself a target. Instead we had .... whatever it was we were supposed to have in season 7 and continuing. And of course, the conclusion that because I'm trashing - rightfully - the writing on this show that keeps spitting up nonsensical plots to prop the writers's faves means that I'm trashing Sansa. Which is the problem with stan culture. Sansa stans are so invested in their self-projection into the character "winning" that they'll remain blind and deaf to how nonsensical the writing around her has become, how patently insulting it is for Sansa, that her arc has been reduced to a Rape Backstory, and that her "intelligence" entirely rests on everyone that comes into contact with her becoming an idiot.
  3. Of course, they did. That's a ridiculous analogy. For one thing, if we lived in a world people with vision were being hunted, they'd be blinding themselves. Voluntarily. Like this analogy is just nonsensical on so many levels. For another, Nora not having speed didn't make her blind or in anyway disabled. It just made her ordinary. It didn't dis-advantage her, it just took a super-"advantage" that no one else had - and that made her life dangerous. The real world analogy you're looking for is children with black ancestry being passed off as white in America. Their parents hiding their black family/history from them. Which happens all the time. And while most people who find out feel sad/confused about their identity, they don't end up hating/resenting the parent who passed them off because it's blatantly obvious why it was done.
  4. Technically, showSansa's story has been getting in the way of other people's stories since season 5 when D & D started basically writing their fan-fiction of the story with her in the center from the moment they created a traumatic, nonsensical cliche Rape-Revenge/Rape-As-Backstory/Rape-Means-Growth arc based on the actress finally being old enough to be in a sex scene. Since then everybody on the show that interacts with her had to lose brain cells, character development and pure common sense so that Sansa could be proven over and over to be the smartest person in Westeros. And most of her fans seem only invested in her "winning" (read: making everyone else around her look lesser) than in the fact that her arcs are plainly nonsensical. (Even said "wins" are unearned. e.g. the "smartest person in Westeros" won't have needed her All-Seeing brother to realise that the man who pimped her out to her rapist is probably manipulating her again to turn against her family. Like to claim that a character that came this close - puts thumb to finger - to killing her own sister and needed a prophetic vision to change her course, is intelligent ... is so ridiculous that it just goes to show how invested fans are in Sansa that they're willing to accept such, frankly, bullshit.) Of course, she's constantly misinterpreted and misunderstood - Sophie Turner herself has no idea what Sansa was thinking/planning wrt to the battle of the bastards, Arya-vs-Sansa, etc, etc, etc - and from what we've seen of the screenplay, the writers themselves have no idea. The only people who misunderstand GRRM's stories are the writers who lost the plot when they literally ran out of the path laid out by the source material. I can't speak for anyone but I don't hate/resent/dislike Sansa because she's Sansa, I hate/resent/dislike the writing of Perfect-Sansa as much as the writing of Stupid-Jon, Evil-Dany, Psycho-Arya, Royce-Needs-Sansa-To-Prepare-For-The-Winter, Cersei-Trusting-Tyrion... ad nauseum! Sansa's "arc" (and I use the word very, very loosely) is just the most obvious outcome of the fuckery this show has become.
  5. She had a dissertation the night that Barry went into the coma, so I'm going to go with yes, she got it off-screen unless the show retcons that it never happened.
  6. Tilt it a bit sideways - they cast the character they had deemed useless with a black actor because in Plec et al's minds, it makes sense for irrelevant characters to be black. Or turn it around - they cast a black actor to play the part ---- and suddenly realized that the character was redundant.
  7. Sorry, I don't get it this. lol. The only Fiona I know is Mrs Shrek.
  8. EXACTLY! OMG you said that way better than I did! I kinda want to tweet this out in one long diatribe to producers and showrunners so they stop leaving their black female leads out in the open like this, expecting them alone to deal with the madness. Irresponsible is right. I'm not sure I ever saw your reply to this (been away for a while, still catching up) but if you want to tweet it, then please go ahead.
  9. LOL that you marked it as a spoiler. And crying too because for all we know that could still happen. Yes, I am just that bitter and cynical. I 100% agree that the taint was deliberate. From the "confusion" over their relationship to a first kiss that was erased and Iris never remembers*... They did everything they could to cut the legs off this ship. *In any other show/story, Iris would have either remembered this herself or been told about it. Think of The Vampire Diaries It's just funny sad how the standard romantic never seem to apply to black women LIs.
  10. Don't forget the next tweet that says that Caitlin has been kidnapped the most than any other character and Iris has been kidnapped the least. Think about this for a bit: Caitlin gets more promos and is in more crossovers because she's in Star Labs (OTF!), and has super-powers. The implication is that between her dozen PhDs in whatever-fits-the-plot disciplines, and her super-speshul-one-of-a-kind powers, she's more useful to the team and more integral to the Flash (Barry) than Iris. Meanwhile Iris who has a pithy single PhD, and no special powers ("We are the Flash", not counting), is useless. But in reality, Caitlin is the biggest Load in the story, and Iris is the most capable and self-sufficient person. If that doesn't summarise White Feminism in a nutshell, then I don't know what will.
  11. Katsullivan

    Iris West

    It's becoming more and more clear that the only difference between AJK's misogynoir and Geoff's is that AJK was more blatant about it.
  12. I am ashamed to admit that it took me a minute to get this. :D
  13. Then that's on her. The wildlings and the Night's Watch fought for her battle with the Boltons. She could talk to them, try to understand better. She could send a raven to the Wall and ask for some representatives to come to Winterfell and hold conference with the lords to give them some perspective. No one is asking Sansa to write a thesis on the WW, but she has access to resources that she isn't using because the script wants her to know more about storing grains for winter and padding armor for the cold than seasoned knights and lords, and be smarter than everyone in the room even though her political acumen is limited to "trust the guy that wants to bone me".
  14. OMG. No, just no. Alia =/= Arya unless you're counting 2-syllable names that start with A? What do these 2 characters even have in common? Jessica =/= Catelyn. Again --- how? They are both beautiful women married to powerful men? Wow, that's a very narrow description. All these parallels have next to nothing in common. I've read both books, suffered through the Dune six, then his son's last 2 volumes, then the masses of sequels and prequels and nothing in these books is remotely close to what AWOIAF is about.
  15. So you're pointing out that... Warner Bros must have a non-racist reason for excluding their black female lead because they promoted the supporting non-Black POCs? I'm sorry but I'm not tracking your argument here. In completely non-related news, TheCW lists Candice Patton as third-billed on this show after Danielle Panabacker. Non-racist reasoning behind that, too. At least that's finally settled the question about who is the female lead of this show once and for all.
  16. I thought they'd put it up later, but nope. I don't understand how they got everyone else who was at the party, but not Candice?? Yeah, sure. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't seem obvious now but they'll explain it and it will make perfect, non-racist sense for their Black female lead to be cut out of the promos for their 100th episode.
  17. No to the boldened. Legitimized children are counted after trueborn in the line of succession. So a legitimized Jon would be next in line after Bran, etc. This is why Ramsay Snow murdered his nephew. With the caveat that, like every other law in Westeros, you can use an army to re-interpret it.
  18. No actually it doesn't make sense because the King in the North's seat is Winterfell. If he was acclaimed King in the North, that confers to him every right of a King in the North, including being Lord of Winterfell. The Targaryen dynasty also had Kings appointed by Council - Aegon IV, and the guy just after Jahaerys I (I think Viserys I, can't remember his name) and it went without saying that he had his seat at the Red Keep/King's Landing. It would have been ridiculous if after crowning the King, they now had to sit another Council to decide where he lived. Which is basically what GOT's "Jon is King, Sansa is Lady" amounts to. "Oh, you're the King in the North. Now let's go build you a seat of power from the bottom up." It's horrifyingly clear that D & D simply have put no thought or planning into this mess they've invented.
  19. You know, even with this confirmed, I'm not convinced that this couldn't have been handled so much better. The fact that no one else picked up Nora's attitude or called her out for it. Or that Cecile and Caitlin were smirking over Nora giving Iris smack at the game... The writers are using Nora for hate bait as @phoenics said in the episode thread, and it's disgusting. It's seriously affecting how I feel about the character.
  20. Sounds like you're making a good argument for Iris to get her tubes tied. If what she has to look forward to in the future is single-motherhood over this brat then home girl needs to get her a Plan B. Literally. Not parents. Just Iris. The problem with looking for reasons to hate a character is that the reasoning rarely makes sense. Well you called it.
  21. He's triply redundant considering that they have a police detective, a private investigator and an investigative reporter on their team. But let's ignore all that to make room for the white man. See exactly zero percent of fandom complain that the show doesn't need another investigator when it can't manage the 3 that they already have.
  22. There aren't shades of Anakin, that's the point. There were reasons why Anakin turned Dark - being born a slave, and then conscripted as a child-soldier into something that wasn't much better included. Kylo was the opposite of that. Kylo is wannabe-Anakin. That's the point. The only thing appealing about Kylo is that he's a fairly attractive white man. If a black man played the same role, no one would have left the cinema shipping Reylo.
  23. This. That ship has sailed, imo and I'm glad. The last thing people with real mental illness need is to have this show reinforce the idea that mental illness => violence.
  24. Well that's a relief, frankly because a poster on the episode thread came up with this wild theory of Iris trying to remove the speedster gene from Nora, and I won't trust the writers not to go there, honestly. It'll be a perfect way to write Iris as a villain and claim it doesn't "count" since that timeline will be erased.
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