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Great idea but don't be surprised if Snowflake has an embargo against storylines like that.

Damn, I remember this!

I thought everyone was being brainwashed in this episode. Even Dick's ghost!Bruce seemed like a manipulated hallucination. That said, even Krypto got more screentime than Gar this episode. 😬

I am not impressed with the show's treatment of Sophie. She's apparently bisexual, so acting like she's "faking" her marriage is disgustingly bi-phobic. Whatever reasons she has for hiding her this aspect of her life, they are her reasons. It's disgusting that Kate and Mary are constantly trying to shame her for it. Outing a non-straight person's sexual identity is never OK. I don't give a f**k if you are her ex or her ex's sister. Also, they broke up. Sophie didn't cheat on Kate when she started a relationship with and got married to a man. Kate acting entitled to her ("I'd have broken up your wedding" 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬) is stalkerish af and would have been called out if Kate was a past boyfriend. Newsflash, CW network: You don't get brownie points for making an abusive dynamic gay.

Honestly, having the incel white guy be the Big Bad probably made this the realest supervillain origin story I've ever seen/read.

One Drop Rule. 😶

LOL, I'm glad someone else said it. ^THIS! I've never been a fan of either character, but this is another level of pandering and disgusting.

It's Hollywood Business. Just roll with it.

Remember when keeping the Flash a secret from Iris was a big deal?

Or it could make you a prime candidate for the "I want to kill off someone that is important enough to hurt the male lead... but won't hurt the status quo of the show" position... She could have ended up being Barry's Eddie.

What baffles me is that I don't really understand what she thought she was doing by whipping the fans into a frenzy. That's not going to help her job, in fact the right kind of show-runners might have fired her for that reason. If I was a showrunner who wanted social media to be going in one direction, and had a crew member trying to push social media to go in the other direction, I'd be irate, because that person is being unprofessional and actively sabotaging my show's chances. Rather than letting myself be arm-twisted, I'd write that person off the show in such a way that no amount of social media frenzy can bring them back. The thing with DP was that she was banking on her pet status with the previous showrunner and the innate racism of the network, the media and the fans to take her "side".

Considering DP was actively encouraging the fandom as far as recent seasons, I honestly can't see the difference. That's nothing to do with DP/Caitlin Snow though. Caitlin wasn't Barry's LI who was then "demoted"/"displaced" by Iris*. She always had her own niche in the show. K *Except in her head. I have legit never seen anything like what DP pulled in any show.

A white man who isn't related to her. Because she's been linked to Cisco for 6 seasons now, several times when they were both single, no one even breathed romance in that direction and DP was always quick to shut that down.

THIS. I winced when I saw the Designated Rival LI show up but I was like... mmmm... OK, let's see how this goes and then he says the H-word and I groaned. Out loud. Why? Because unless they're going to take the easy option and make him a villain, I really don't know if I'm supposed to route for Sophie to: cheat on her husband, dump her husband who seems like a perfectly nice guy....

In case anyone was wondering, it was written by Bianca Sams. So... Are we supposed to take Gar's "she's not my girlfriend!" as a shut down of BBRae or as confirmation that it will eventually happen? I tend to get confused over these things.

Excellent. In what world was anyone shipping Caitlin Snow with a brown man or believed this was possible? Daneille P probably has something about this in her contract.

You just listed all the (explicitly described in the novel as) dark-skinned characters that the show "upgraded". It's almost as if you're making my point for me or something... 🙄 Also the "they picked the best people for the job (the implication being that black/dark-skinned people can't act)!" hasn't aged well since The Last Airbender movie came out. I clearly pointed out that I would have had no problem with Aja Naomi King, an American being cast to play the role of Elvi. But nice try at derailing a conversation about racism/colorism into one an irrelevant segue on ethnicity/nationalism. It's also pretty universal in racism too but thanks for diminishing the societal discrimination that leads little black girls to think that dolls that look like them are evil as irrelevant.

One word summary? Badly. I know right?

If they ever let me write this show, I'd make Caitlin catch feelings for Barry, be rejected, embrace her dark side, go full villain and have to be killed.

Colorism, particularly in the US, is an extension of racism. So kindly don't dismiss it into the same category as fans are upset that "Daniel Radcliffe should have worn green contacts for the HP movies". That is just insulting to the very real people who are affected by it. And by people affected by it, I mean there's a billion dollar industry that thrives on making dark-skinned African and South Asian women believe that their natural skin colour is inherently unattractive. It's not even her actual heritage - Aja Naomi King could pass as Nigerian and to the best of my knowledge, she's African-American with all the genetic heritage that comes with. But Lyndie is unambiguously biracial - from her skin colour to her facial profile - and it's obvious why she was cast.

Needs more red.

I came off feeling that Max's "girl power" bonding with Eleven was more for the sake of the writing shitting on Lucas than anything to do with either Mike or Eleven.

This. We've seen how the writers treat characters they don't want to write for: that's how Iris was the character with the least impact in season 3, when saving her life was the season's goal. That's why Iris became Team Flash leader in season 4 and we didn't find out she quit journalism in the middle of season 4. They're bad at writing for Caitlin because they're writing for Caitlin at Iris's expense. I know it sounds counter-intuitive but it's the truth. Iris is the second lead, the title character's LI, she's the second most important person in the story and the most important person to the most important person in the story. Getting her right isn't optional. By disrespecting the dynamics of the show - by making Caitlin, a supporting character more dominant than Iris, it skews the entire story. It's not a coincidence that all the best The Flash episodes (Runaway Dinosaur, Flashtime, Once and Future Flash) are the ones that have not only the best Iris and Iris/Barry writing but puts them at the heart of the story. The Flash will never be as good as it can be because the writers are hellbent on demeaning/diminishing the show's leading lady for Danielle Panabacker and the racist perspective. So paradoxically, that's why the writing for Caitlin will always be bad. But racism/white supremacy has never been about being "the best that it (a story, a society) can be". The goal isn't to write Caitlin well but to write Iris worse. The writing for Caitlin can be bad, but as long as the writing for Iris is worse, then Caitlin has won.

Billy stays dead and we never hear about him again.

Just saw it. It was OK. Gotta admit I was spoiled for all the major beats so that probably affected my enjoyment... but there were just too many suspension of belief moments for me. All the Avengers were AWOL and it all rested on the shoulders of a teenage boy to save the world? Tony Stark giving said teenage boy control over WMDs? Peter handing over the glasses to a random guy that he literally just met? Someone that came from another Earth? After giving some convoluted illogical reason why he couldn't give them to the Director of SHIELD? I think Zendaya and Tom Holland have mad chemistry but it would have been nice to know/understand when his feelings flipped from Liz Allan to her. Also, convenient that everyone in Peter's group that mattered had been dusted. Yeah and about that - the blip? Seriously? Ah well, Ned/Betty were cute. Some ugliness though: I heard that this plot was almost shot-for-shot a Miles Morales comic story? Can anyone confirm or explain this. Yeah it was definitely not meant to be titillating. They only filmed a supermodel in skin-tight leather ordering a teenage boy to take off his clothes to give us a PSA about not taking pictures in bathrooms. 🙄 ETA: Oh yeah - and another thing that bugged me. The whole deal about his secret identity is that Spidey wants to protect his loved ones. So... he takes MJ out on a public date... in full costume... because no one would want to know who is the girl that Spidey took web-slinging through town? Or connect the dots between her dates with Spidey and her high school classmate?