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  1. Eyes High

    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    There's really not much in the show itself, other than Cersei making a comment in 7x07 about how Dany is Tyrion's sort of woman. Most of it's from the original S7 leaked script outlines, where it's more obvious (Bronn needling Tyrion about being in love with Dany, for example) and from Peter Dinklage's interviews: he said before S7 that Tyrion was smitten with Dany, and last fall he said that Tyrion is in love with Dany or thinks he is. I assume that D&D were giving him notes to play him that way; certainly it seemed that way in 6x10 when Dany names him Hand. Back after S7, when there was that Tyrion betrayal/trial spoiler floating around, there was a lot of speculation that Tyrion's unrequited love for Dany and jealousy over Jon/Dany would be what led to his betrayal. (And to be fair, in the original outline, Tyrion fell in unrequited love with someone in love with Jon and this led to a "deadly rivalry," although it was Arya and not Dany, so it wasn't the craziest thing.) Of course, none of that ended up happening. The weird thing is that Tyrion being in love with Dany really didn't change anything about how events unfolded in S8. He never openly disapproved of or interfered with her relationship with Jon (he even supported a marriage between them). He never disparaged or undermined Jon out of jealousy (even vouching for his courage before the skeptical Northern lords). There are other reasons to explain why Tyrion believed in and supported Dany for so long; sure, he stuck by her, but Varys did too until 8x04, and Varys wasn't in love with her. And then of course Sansa accuses Tyrion of being afraid of Dany in 8x04, and Tyrion doesn't deny it. So I'm not really sure what the point was, except perhaps as a nod to the books, where I expect Tyrion will fall in love with Dany as well.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Looking back at AGOT, there was this interesting exchange between Jon and Tyrion at the Wall: Not much comes of it in AGOT, other than Tyrion designing the saddle for Bran (...and getting attacked by the direwolves, which doesn't make a lot of sense in light of the endgame), but maybe it's a subtle reference to Tyrion ending up helping Bran as his Hand. ...And of course it now occurs to me that the event that kicked off the whole war was the person who became the endgame Hand being accused of trying to murder the person who became the endgame King.
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    It looked like an actual cage to me, but mileage varies. Michele Clapton will probably do an interview at some point about that dress and we'll see what she was going for. Does Sansa even have any interest in sex anymore? It sure seems like Ramsay was the end of that, and the costuming with the belts and corsets and such reflects that as well. Even assuming Sansa is still interested in sex, Sansa didn't have any preexisting romantic relationship heading into S8 and she had a lot of trauma around sex before S8 (unlike Arya and Brienne, "masculine coded" or not). It would be unrealistic to expect her to go from having no relationship to forming a romantic relationship with someone and having sex with that person within six episodes. All romantic relationships other than Sam/Gilly fared extremely poorly in S8, so in all fairness Sansa isn't really missing out. She seems to have gotten closure with the various men in her life, one way or another. And really, if the choices are no sex or loveless, terrible sex as Arya had, maybe no sex isn't such a bad thing.
  4. Yes, exactly. It seems like an old quote, because he's not really saying anything he hasn't said before.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    I dunno about "control," but Tyrion and Varys always justified their support of Dany by saying that Tyrion's advice would check her worst impulses, as in 7x05: Tyrion: Daenerys is not her father. Varys: And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen. And in 7x07: Cersei: You said she'd destroy King's Landing. Tyrion: She knows herself. She chose an advisor who would check her worst impulses, instead of feeding them. That's the difference between you. They both eventually realize this is bullshit, of course, in 8x04: Tyrion (about Jon): He could temper her worst impulses. Varys: As you have? So it doesn't surprise me that in 8x06, Tyrion sadly concludes "It was vanity to think I could guide her." Tyrion was upset about Dany slaughtering a city, which is why he tossed away his Hand pin. Tyrion was fine with Dany becoming queen in 8x05 even when he realized that that would mean that Jaime and Cersei would die unless he managed to sneak them out of the city. Nor do I see any resentment or anger from Tyrion that Dany doesn't return his affections. He never even mentioned it until 8x06. It's not Dany's power that Tyrion feared, it's how she used it. Tyrion was perfectly fine with Dany having dragons and armies as long as she used them in service of noble ends.
  6. Not only that, but some of the writing choices are completely mystifying given that we got King Bran, like Bran insisting in Season 7 that he can't be lord of anything. Sansa needed to be LOW to fuel the S7 Sansa/Arya drama, but Bran could have given another reason, like some mysterious comment how Sansa needs to be LOW for events to play out, or similar. I agree.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Brienne not only making the Kingsguard but her protege Pod proving worthy of the job as well is pretty darn sweet. Knowing that she could have a life as a conventional lady if she wanted it (as represented by Gendry's marriage offer), Arya is free and is choosing to live a life on her terms without being bound by traditional expectations, which is all she ever wanted. Gendry's legitimization as Lord Baratheon apparently stuck judging from his presence at the council, which is a sweet end for someone who was proud of his parentage. Hopefully, he won't pine forever for Arya the way his dad did for Lyanna, and Davos can help him with the lord stuff. Sam is free from his NW vows and his horrible father, he has a sweet gig as Grandmaester, and he ended up with a lovely girlfriend and a family of his own. Davos ends up serving a king worth serving and helping make Westeros a better place, even if it's not the king he started out serving. In a nice little nod to GRRM's theme of the destructiveness of vengeance, Davos' ability to make peace with Tyrion, the man who killed his son through the use of wildfire, is what makes that possible. And while I admit Jon's fate looks pretty grim on the surface, he belongs in the real North with people who won't try to use him or his claim, as even his friends and family like Sam and Sansa tried to do. He can find some measure of peace after everything.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    It wasn't just a ruse to fool Grey Worm. Tyrion would have said so otherwise.
  9. GRRM allegedly once said something about wanting to write a post-ASOIAF mystery set in Braavos with an adult Arya. (He has made documented comments about wanting to do a mystery set in Braavos, but the adult Arya part is not confirmed, I saw that on a Reddit comment from someone who claimed to have heard it from Elio of Westeros.org.) That's what made me think that an itinerant post-ASOIAF Arya was a strong likelihood. And yes, as you point out, Nymeria was a queen, but Nymeria also burned her ships so that she could never return home. GRRM weighed in on the finale at Notablog. The page isn't loading for some reason, but here's the part where he talks about books vs. show: It seems like tacit confirmation that the ending is basically the same. I love that GRRM thinks that fans will care about what happens to Darkstar. No one cares about what happens to Darkstar.
  10. The key choices that Dany made that led to her downfall were decisions that Tyrion strenuously advised her against: 1. Executing Randyll and Dickon Tarly. 2. Taking her dragons to rescue Jon. 3. Failing to accept surrender and using dragonfire on civilians. Tyrion's advice was always aimed at taking the 7K without dragonfire (especially against civilians, but he wasn't thrilled about her using it in the field or as an execution method, either) and minimizing the loss of innocent life. He sold it to Dany as good PR, but given his frantic attempts in Season 8 to prevent a massacre, it wasn't Dany's image that he was worried about. It wasn't just about Cersei, either, since Tyrion urged Dany against burning the slavers' cities when she started up with her burning cities to the ground rhetoric in 6x09, and since even to the end Tyrion was trying to convince Jaime to get Cersei to surrender to save the city. It may have been naive to think that taking the 7K without using the dragons was even possible, but given what Dany ended up doing, I'd say that Tyrion being worried about what would happen if Dany used her dragons on KL proved to be a valid fucking concern. Tyrion knew all along that Dany could be very dangerous and destructive, but like Varys, he still justified his support of her by telling himself that he could temper her worst impulses if he could get her to listen to his advice. And to be fair to Tyrion, he did try up until the last possible moment to do that.
  11. Same. Like most readers, I thought there was a chance that both Jon and Dany would get knocked out of contention for the throne in the books, but I never thought it would happen in quite that way. I'm surprised Tyrion ended up as Bran's Hand, but Book Tyrion being the Hand to the endgame ruler is not at all surprising. Tyrion really did stand "as tall as a king" as his shadow once did in AGOT, although given that in the books he sets out to destroy his family in ADWD, including signing away Casterly Rock, it's odd that he's responsible for the Lannister legacy. Tywin would hate the idea of his golden twins dying and the son he hated so much being all that was left, so that's something. Arya going exploring isn't surprising to me as a book endgame, although I'm not entirely convinced that Arya going "west of Westeros" as opposed to heading for Braavos is GRRM's planned book canon. I never would have thought Sansa would end up QITN based on the books alone, but her endgame in the show seemed to be tracking towards being the single Lady of Winterfell since Season 6. Unless GRRM publishes the end of the series, I guess we're left to imagine whether the Stark line survives (which seems like it will be down to Sansa) and whether Tywin's line is extinguished with Tyrion. Certainly neither Sansa nor Tyrion seem likely to remarry in the show, with Tyrion having been celibate for several years and Sansa having crowned herself queen and still dressing in a manner calculated to eliminate the possibility of physical touch.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    It wasn't the ending per se, but the very last scene. In AGOT, Jon promises Tyrion that if Benjen doesn't come back, he and Ghost will go out and find him. And Tyrion mentally wonders in response "And who will go find you?" The last scene of the show is Jon going beyond the Wall, possibly never to return.
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    Wardrobing in GoT: Such Amazing Details

    Sansa has had a lot of hideous dresses over the years, but her S8 dresses have been on point, and the coronation dress was perfection. Poor Arya only got one new outfit in S8, and it was really just a grey variation of her previous outfit. I was hoping for something a bit different. Bran had feathers embroidered into the capelet he was wearing in his farewell scene with Jon. A nod to his 3ER identity, I guess. After two seasons of wearing striped fabrics with no Lannister touches in his clothes, Tyrion is finally dressing like a Lannister again. His last outfit was in black leather (like Tywin), with gold clasps up the front (as he wore in Seasons 3 and 4) and gold swirls on black leather (as he wore in Season 3). He has embraced his identity as a Lannister again, and he's dressing a lot like Tywin, which makes sense now that he ended up where Tywin ended up (as king in all but name). Dany's 8x05/8x06 conqueror outfit was amazing.
  14. Dany is responsible for her own emotions and choices. Blaming anyone else for her actions, especially the one person who always tried to stop her from giving in to her destructive impulses, is gross.
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    Sure, but that's fanfic, no more and no less, and it's fanfic on the level of Bronn stabbing Tyrion minutes after we cut away from the small council meeting and declaring himself his replacement. Could it happen? It's not impossible. Is it at all likely to happen, given what we've seen? No. Michele Clapton has said more than once since S7 that Sansa's costuming is supposed to indicate that she's closing herself off to the possibility of physical touch. And there was no softening of that in S8. Instead, she graduated from tight belts to full-on armour-type corsets. Even in her "softer" scenes with Jon and Theon and even after Dany's death, she's still wearing armour-type outfits. One would have expected some hints from Sansa's costuming if her outlook towards being touched again was changing. Instead, she went the opposite direction. In her very last scene of the show, her corset looks like a cage. She didn't have "Sansa will never marry, fall in love or have sex ever again" embroidered on her clothes, but she might as well have. Also, visually, Sansa's coronation scene seemed to have intentional nods to Elizabeth's coronation scene in the 1998 movie Elizabeth (including Sansa wearing her hair long), as well as the final scene in that film after Elizabeth has transformed herself into the untouchable, unfeeling Virgin Queen who forever turns her back on love. D&D directed the scene, so if that's the vibe they wanted to create and the comparison they intended to invoke, I think my interpretation is indeed the correct one.
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    Yes, but the ending as strongly implied supports the forever single childless lady endgame and not yours, just as it doesn't imply Jon rushing back to Sansa because he's madly in love with her. That was my point. Sansa could have kids or get married, but that is certainly not what's implied, no more than Jon ditching out on the far Northerners so that he can finally marry Sansa.
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    And you can think that, but it’s just as much fanfic as Jon turning back moments after we cut away from him and rushing back to Sansa’s side to declare his love eternal, and it’s just about as likely given the ending we saw. The costuming was a clear signal. I said a while ago that assuming D&D knew from early on that Sansa’s endgame was as the forever single Lady of Winterfell (as I then believed) that they probably chose to swap Sansa in for Jeyne in the rape storyline by way of explanation why she would reject any further marriage or relationship. I also suggested that Sansa would never want to remarry or have another relationship given her experience with Ramsay. I got a lot of flak for it (how dare I suggest that women can never move on from trauma, what a horrible message that would be for rape survivors, etc. etc.), but it seems now that that early intuition was correct. Sansa ends up as the untouchable ice queen grateful to her abusers for toughening her up, because I guess D&D deal in those sorts of absolutes.
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    Tyrion Lannister: Impin' Ain't Easy

    I dunno. I mean, even assuming Jon going to the NW was Bran’s idea and not Tyrion’s (and I have my doubts about that one), Tyrion coldly and deliberately manipulated Jon to kill Dany. Tyrion knows it, too: “What I did”/“What we did.” It was chilling watching Tyrion do it, too. Even when he was trying to get Jon on board as one of Dany’s allies, Tyrion has never actually worked Jon over like that, according him at least that basic respect. Tyrion did just that in 8x06, though, systematically wearing Jon down and bringing up his sisters as the coup de grace. Poor, dumb Jon was helpless to do anything about it. Everyone pined for the return of Tyrion as a player, and they got it in 8x06. He played everyone like a fiddle. He got Jon to get rid of Dany and be stuck with the blame for it. He got the Lannister-hating lords and ladies of Westeros to install him as their effective ruler behind a puppet king (whom Tyrion knew very well would be a puppet, since Bran told him “Mostly I live in the past”) and made them think it was their idea. He supported (or may even have proposed) packing Jon off to the NW, thus eliminating him as a threat to his power. He created a small council made up of a good natured yes man, a crony who has always proven loyal to him as long as he paid up , and a woman madly in love with his brother (with a bonus kingsguard who has also proven 100% loyal to Tyrion in the past).
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    Those who want to imagine that Sansa eventually has children are free to do so, just as Jonsa shippers are free to imagine that Jon does a U-turn immediately after heading into the far North to be by Sansa's side, or Gendrya shippers are free to imagine that Gendry secretly stowed away on Arya's ship, but the fact that Sansa in her final scene is still dressing in a manner that indicates she never intends to be touched ever again, including a cage-like corset, does not indicate that that is a likely outcome. Queen Elizabeth never had children, either.
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    Sansa Stark: A Direwolf In Sheep's Clothing?

    As someone who's bagged on Sansa's hideous costumes in previous seasons, she looked amazing in Season 8. That coronation dress was perfection, and I loved the weirwood leaf details embroidered inside the sleeves. It was hard to get a good look at it with the lighting, though. Michele Clapton has said a few times that Sansa's tight dresses, belts and corsets are intended to be a visual shorthand indicating that she never intends anyone to touch her again, and her coronation dress is tight with a corset. So I guess being extremely single for the rest of her life is Sansa's endgame, and she'll cross the succession bridge when she comes to it. I really thought they were going somewhere with Sansa/Tyrion, but they definitely zigged instead of zagging on that one (with Tyrion confessing his love for Dany to Jon). At least they seem to be on good terms at the end.
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    Tyrion Lannister: Impin' Ain't Easy

    Tyrion ending up king for all intents and purposes with Bran as his puppet reminded me of this conversation between Tywin and Tyrion in 3x10: Tyrion: You just sent the most powerful man in Westeros to bed without his supper. Tywin: You're a fool if you believe he's the most powerful man in Westeros. Tyrion: A treasonous statement. Joffrey is king. Tywin: You really think a crown gives you power? And Tyrion ends up as Tywin 2.0, custodian of the Lannister legacy and Hand to a king who's pretty much checked out (Aerys in Tywin's case, Bran in Tyrion's).
  22. It's around that time of year again: Season 8 news is starting to trickle out! What we know or what is rumoured: 1. Season 8 will have six episodes. 2. D&D revealed the writing order at SXSW: Dave Hill for 8x01, Bryan Cogman for 8x02, and D&D for 8x03 through 8x06. EW.com recently reported that the writers are still in the process of writing Season 8. 3. The production may return to Spain. Head of the Andalucia Film Commission, Carlos Rosado, said that if nothing goes wrong, they can expect GOT to film Season 8 in Spain. 4. HBO was also looking at filming in Sweden (specifically, Visby) at one point. 5. Filming is expected to start in September 2017, per Liam Cunningham.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    Given that Bran told Tyrion that he mostly lives in the past, Tyrion’s actions (while no doubt taken out of the goodness of his heart) are the perfect Machiavellian power play. 1. Resign as Hand in dramatic and public fashion, forcing Dany to imprison you. 2. Count on Jon’s conscience to lead him to visit you. Impress upon him the need to get rid of Dany. When all other appeals to reason fail, invoke his sisters. 3. Wait for Jon to do the deed, confident that this will take him out of the king running. Dany and Jon are both eliminated as contenders. 4. Propose that the lords and ladies of Westeros choose a new ruler. When they’re stymied, suggest Bran, whom you know will be the perfect puppet (“Mostly I live in the past”) and whom you reasonably assume will choose you as Hand, leaving you as king in all but name. 5. When Bran does choose you as Hand, modestly demur for the sake of appearances. You mustn’t look too eager. 6. Suggest to Bran that Jon get ordered to the NW as an acceptable compromise. Pass this off to Jon as Bran’s idea. This permanently eliminates Jon as a potential claimant and secures your power. 7. Make good on your promise to Bronn, making him one of the most powerful people in Westeros, and put him on your small council. So without dirtying his own hands, Tyrion managed to manipulate Jon into killing Dany, manipulate the council into selecting a king of his choosing, and ending up as the effective king of Westeros. All while he’s a prisoner! And they say Tyrion’s not as smart as he used to be.
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    S08.E06: The Iron Throne

    I thought they were going somewhere with Sansa/Tyrion this season, but I guess he was in love with Dany the whole time...? Oh, well. Tyrion’s argument for King Bran was bullshit. I assume they had to get to Book Bran’s endgame, but still. Why wasn’t Jon’s claim brought up during that discussion? I assume Varys told everyone. I never thought Sansa would be endgame QITN in the books. Badass costume, though. The bit with Brienne filling out Jaime’s entry was lovely. And I love that Pod is a kingsguard, too.
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    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    From what I can tell, Jon being the legitimate heir to the throne not amounting to anything or changing anything in the end other than destroying Jon and Dany's relationship is a very GRRM thing to do. Jon metaphorically erasing his Westeros existence by disappearing into the far North also does away with a lot of the issues with having a resurrected Jon involved in Westeros as king or the Stark patriarch or what have you. The show glossed over this stuff (I expect because D&D knew Jon's endgame from pretty early on and therefore none of it ultimately mattered), but I doubt GRRM will. We don't know how Book Jon will be as a Beric-type zombie. How long will he live? Can he even father children? Will his memory start to fade as Beric's did? Packing off Jon Frodo-style eliminates these issues. D&D teasing Jon and Dany having a kid in S7 seems like a particularly cruel red herring, but I think it was always intended as such, rather than as a dropped plot thread. Jorah urges Jon to give Longclaw to his children, but there won't be any. On the other hand, Tyrion being in love with Dany (according to the outlines and hints like Cersei commenting on Dany being Tyrion's sort of woman) in S7 makes no sense given what happened in Season 8. Tyrion being in love with Dany only works as an explanation for why he was so stubbornly invested in her success until the end, but S8 presented other reasons for Tyrion believing in Dany. S8 also introduced the idea that Tyrion is legit terrified of Dany, which seems like a bit of a retcon. I certainly didn't see anything in the text or subtext in S8 to indicate that Tyrion was in love with her. Nor did I see the slightest whiff of jealousy towards Jon and Dany's relationship; Tyrion even supported Davos' call for a marriage between them and tried to get Varys on board with it in 8x04. So I don't know what all that was supposed to be about. It's almost as if D&D changed their minds between S7 and S8. While all the Stark kids end the series technically alive, it's pretty grim. Bran Stark has been consumed by the 3ER; as Meera said, Bran died in the cave. Arya commits Frodo-style metaphorical suicide by sailing west of Westeros from which no one has ever returned. Jon commits Frodo-style metaphorical suicide by abandoning Westeros and disappearing into the far North. Sansa is alone at Winterfell, permanently separated from her siblings. The pack may have survived but it is permanently dissolved.
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