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15 hours ago, orza said:
The comments here are probably not represenative of all viewers. The main character is POTUS so it can't really be a spy show because catching conspirators is not something the president would personally be involved in. The show is called Designated Survivor and has a big name actor in the title role. The show needs to be about him. I was expecting a show that focuses on the difficulties of a mild-mannered, idealistic political appointee who is suddenly thrust into the position of being the most powerful man in the world. The conspiracy story line should have been wrapped up in about 5 or 6 episodes. It dragged on for way too long and showed agent Wells to be a bumbling idiot. The loose cannon who has to do everything on her own way, causing a lot of unnecessary problems before finally solving the case, is a tired cliche. If they must continue with the conspiracy story I would rather see Forstell leading a team of agents doing solid investigative work.
The show doesn't need to be balanced and present both sides of issues. I am very much in favor of the show shaming and bashing the current administration whenever it can, but it needs to do it with a lot more finesse. What we have seen so far is clumsy and heavy-handed. They need to smarten it up.
"This show needs less Maggie Q and more Reed Diamond."
Filed under "things I never thought I'd read," lol.
(I do love Reed Diamond, to be honest, but I adore Maggie Q)
I think the problem is that, for an action show to be fun, all it takes is a few shootouts and a few stupid twists and a few kickass action scenes. For a political show to be fun, it requires good writing, and engaging storylines, and meaningful discourse. I feel like the latter is a lot harder to achieve. That's why procedurals and spy shows are a dime a dozen, and then there's, like, only one Madam Secretary.
I love Kiefer too, and I would have totally watched a political drama with him as the star (that's what I thought DS would be, in fact). But, after watching the first season, I was truly underwhelmed by all the political stories. They were poorly written and generic. Boring, frankly. That said, I think the one thing this show has done well is give us an engaging lead. I care about Kirkman. So I could be convinced to watch more of his White House shenanigans. Unfortunately, however, I don't have much faith in the writers to convince me.
Failing that, I'd be more than fine with watching Maggie Q, Reed Diamond (is he even coming back? Wait, don't spoil me, I still haven't watched the last few eps, he might be the mole!), Chuck (omg is he even alive? Don't spoil me!) and a new MI6 hottie doing all sorts of kickass stuff.
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1 hour ago, orza said:
Virginia Madsen and Malik Yoba were recurring guest stars, not regular cast members. While it's a shame they are gone, I wouldn't expect them to be carried over to a new season. I think the show needs to dump Maggie Q. Her character is useless and this show doesn't need an action star who is only a passable actor. It needs to focus on being a political drama with bite and get rid of the half-assed action story line.
I was resigned to losing Malik Yoba, but I was hoping they might upgrade Madsen to a regular, like it often happens when a character pops like she did.
And, to me, this show failed on almost all counts, but it especially failed as a political drama. The action storyline was dumb but fun, at least. The political drama yielded exactly zero excitement from me (other than the MacLeishes, who were awesome while they lasted, but who were also part of the "action" storyline, if you really think about it). I felt that good actors like Kal Penn were wasted, potentially interesting characters like Emily and Aaron were underutilized, and only Virginia Madsen managed to make things spicy. If they are to focus on the White House only, and without Hookstratten to boot, I, too, will be out as a viewer.
That said, I don't think we need to worry about that. I remember reading a TV Line teaser about one of the new characters, described thusly:
Quotea “ruggedly handsome” MI-6 operative who crosses paths with Hannah
So I think we're good on the action front.
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9 hours ago, Happy Harpy said:
Virginia Madsen is officially out (TV Line). Boo.
Wow. I still have the last 3(?) episodes on my DVR but I haven't felt the urge to watch them. Losing Malik Yoba was bad enough, but now she's gone, too? A great actress, and arguably the best character? It's like they want me to lose interest. I just hope they bring in a few interesting actors of Madsen's caliber, and then maybe I can get excited again.
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Daniel Henney and Adam Rodriguez on the same show? Yes please.
(I never watched Beyond Borders, but I do love him from several of his other projects.)
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8 hours ago, tofutan said:
I thought I read somewhere the Anne Dudek would go on to Legends. I swear I read that before her first appearance on Flash, but now I can't find the source anymore.
I support that. She'd be useful, perhaps, considering their predicament. And she's fun, assuming she doesn't spend her days mourning HR.
OK wait, I don't support that. If she'll be in mourning, she needs to stay on The Flash and be a buzzkill, she'll fit right in. Let Legends stay the fun and enjoyable show it has become. If they need her, maybe they can pluck her from a different point in her timeline.
I would, however like for Julian to stay on The Flash. That type of character (slightly abrasive and emotionally stunted but funny) is a good fit for the show (we had Eobard, then Harry and now Julian). If we were to keep Harry, maybe Julian wouldn't be needed, but if Tom Cavanagh insists on playing some other random character again, maybe we can keep Julian to bring that spice to the team.
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2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
I'm not sure what Jay went through because we didn't get to see it, but Wally was in Hell. He was in a catatonic state, reliving seeing Iris being murdered in an unending loop and him not being able to save her. Barry took him back and Jay took Wally's place.
I'm just beyond tired and pissed that these hacks have turned the Speed Force into some kind of vindictive AI/God, who gets pissed when Barry doesn't do what IT wants him to. When it was a mixture of science and climate that made Barry the Flash.???
Barry going into the Speed Force WAS him sacrificing himself. Short of killing him off permanently, and this ending the show, this is the closest he'll come to dying-because NOW, the Speedforce is a fucking prison and Barry won't be living it up in there as if he's at Club Med.
I mean, yeah, but a) this is all Barry's fault, so if anybody deserves hell it's him, and b) it will only last for like a week. He'll be fine. He saw Iris dying in front of him like ten times, and he was fine.
But I do agree that the writers have totally botched what the Speed Force is supposed to be. Is it really vindictive (which is why the earthquakes were happening) or is it benevolent (which is why it took the face of Barry's mother) and "it" just practically/technically "needs" a prisoner/occupant? And if so, why?
Also, didn't "Nora" say it wasn't going to be hell? It was just the end of the line? Was the Speed Force lying? I kinda saw that moment as Barry accepting eternal, like, stasis. Not hell. Iris said that word, but "Nora" said otherwise. Barry's casual reaction tells me he's just going to be put on ice, so the planet isn't destroyed. Which, again, would be his fault, so he brought this on himself.
5 minutes ago, Cthulhudrew said:Maybe the Speed Force brought Barry back to undo "Flashpoint" and next year we'll pick up with the show moments after season 2's ending. With the original group of characters we got to know in the first two seasons, and not the "basically the same, but slightly different, but don't worry about it" crew from this season.
I would absolutely love that.
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7 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:
Why does Wally still have his power if Savitar ceased to have existed? He lost them when Barry merely forgot what to do next, but he keeps them when Savitar completely fades away? That makes no sense.
They literally showed Wally losing his powers because Barry (and Savitar) got amnesia, like two weeks ago. But Savitar is erased and Wally is the new Flash? And no one even mentions a bullshit explanation why that happened?
Speaking of bullshit, why on earth would Savitar disappear in "a few hours" and not immediately? What did they mean by "until the paradox reaches him"? At first I thought they meant "until a particular event happens, which would erase him from existence" (leven though that event did happen, when he failed to kill Iris), but the way they said "oh, idk, a couple of hours" made it seem like they were pulling that timeframe out of their asses. I didn't understand that at all.
1 hour ago, AudienceofOne said:No one. Barry created the prison for Savitar. Savitar never existed.
But for some reason all of these events still happened and the prison still exists even though nobody ever built it.
Because the writers are still pretending this is a GENIUS closed time loop while giving themselves permission to just do whatever the fuck they want.
Wait, did I already say that?
RIGHT?
None of this season makes sense. I was hoping Barry would sacrifice himself to stop Savitar (which would be a rightful punishment, since he created/became Savitar), not for some made-up reason about the Speed Force. That had zero emotional impact. And the script didn't help. When Iris said "Wally and Jay said they were in hell," the writers were trying to amp up the emotion and prop up Barry's sacrifice, but all that did was remind the viewers that two other speedsters have successfully escaped the Speed Force, so Barry will only be in there for like ten minutes, tops. That line weakened the moment.
I will not miss HR. I felt nothing when he died. He annoyed me to no end, he was one of the most superfluous and irritating parts of this season, and the way the writers tried to tack on his romance with Tracy (lasting all of 4 minutes) in the finale was offensively exploitative. Good riddance. I'd be happy Harry seems to be staying, but I'm sure that'll be temporary, and we'll get a different Wells. Whatever. Can't be worse than HR (famous last words).
That said, it was a disservice to HR to connect his death with Iris's survival. The audience (and the characters) had a split second to grieve, because we/they were all delighted Iris was alive. So he died and only Tracy gave a damn. Cisco barely reacted to his death. I don't like the guy, but that's low. And bad writing.
This season was a dud and had no internal logic. There were no rules, and everything was a confusing mess. Worst of all, I stopped caring about the characters. Julian (by the way, HE LIVES!) and the Cisco/Caitlin relationship were the only (surprising) bright spots, and Candice Patton's acting was the true saving grace of Season 4. Everything else? Pass.
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10 hours ago, No 2 in our Hearts said:
The task force has stopped extinction level events using the Red's intel. Anyone that Red has killed is a drop in the bucket compared to the lives that have been saved.
I agree, but it's one thing to tolerate Red for the greater good, and it's another to be proud to be working with him. He's a murderer. I don't think any person who has taken an oath to uphold the law would ever be "proud" of that. Aram is a sap, so maybe that's understandable, but it still annoys me. Glossing over murder, for any reason? These are supposed to be the good guys? And here I thought Hawaii Five-0 was bad, with the way it tramples all over the US constitution.
As always, when someone props up Red, I don't know if it's the writers telling us what to think, or just the characters, being flawed. Just because I can enjoy Red as a viewer (even when I disagree with him, just because Spader is amazing), it doesn't mean that I will accept law enforcement officials actively enjoying their time with him. That makes no sense. Ressler was the only one who ever had a normal reaction to Red (and Cooper, I guess), but now he's mixed in his own criminal activity, so he lost the moral high ground. In many ways, Red (and Tom, actually) are "better" because they're criminals, and it's their job to do these things. But the FBI agents? There's no excuse.
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29 minutes ago, stewedsquash said:
Thank you for the answer and updates! And to the part I bolded, Yay! because I absolutely love Solomon for some reason. There is just something about the actor and how he portrays the character that has made me want more of him from the very beginning. The Solomon and Tom actors could completely win me over with a Sonny/Crocket, Starsky/Hutch or any kind of buddy type show if they ever move on to something else. Good guys or bad guys, they just click for me.
Then you're really gonna love Redemption! They had a lot of fun moments together on that show.
1 hour ago, Biggie B said:And now the excellent point made by ally about elderly Dom? For crying out loud. The writers' right hands need to meet their left hands.
Right? Red goes to a man (let's say) 30 years his senior and says "if anything ever happens to me, do X"? What the hell?
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3 hours ago, Biggie B said:
As for the rest of Lunula's post - agree!! I totally don't get whose bones those are in the suitcase. And as pointed out, if they're Katerina's bones, so what? She's dead, she's been dead for a while. If it's the true Reddington, well...whatever...I find the whole real/fake Reddingtion theory hard to follow, so I'm not really paying it much mind unless or until it is substantiated (and the way this show goes, that will likely never happen).
I'm not entirely sure, but I think Katarina killed herself? By drowning? Which would (I assume) not be evident if one were to examine her bones? So, if those are her bones, maybe they prove that Red killed her some other way? Blunt force trauma to the head? If, say, her skull was caved in? Then again, how would Red be implicated, just from a bag of bones? That would only prove Katarina was murdered. Wait, I guess Liz would automatically suspect him? Because he's Red? Either way, that's still a weak reveal. "Oh no, Red (a known murderer) killed Liz's mother! Who saw that coming?" Like, so what? The writers seem to think we care about this more than we actually do. To me, that's just another way to have Liz tell Red "we are OVER!" until she inevitably hugs him again and calls him Papa.
On the other hand, if the bones belong to the real Red (i.e. Liz's actual biological father, which a DNA match would confirm), at least it explains why "Red" is so terrified of Liz finding them.
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7 hours ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:
For someone facing a potential indictment, Liz seemed awfully unconcerned about Agnes. Her having a baby just makes the suspension of disbelief with regard to her actions that much more difficult.
Still wondering about Red's daughter with his ex-wife, about whom he seems to have forgotten. I guess they never bonded.
Right? Why bother introducing babies or children when they are irrelevant and always ignored?
Anyway, always trust this show to botch the big reveals. They "revealed" Red is her father (obviously) but the DNA sample they tested was old. No way to know if it matches the current Red (who, and I say this as a viewer of The Blacklist: Redemption, a far better show) could very well be an imposter. A Russian (obviously) sent to replace the real Red, who may or may not be dead. As if it would be difficult for them to get Red's DNA? If Liz could do it, anyone can.
I would have preferred an 100% conclusive reveal, with the bonus reveal of the suitcase. The show probably has one season left. Answer the paternity question conclusively, and then we can focus on the reason why Red was so adamant that Liz not find out the truth. What did Red do (i.e. who do those bones belong to?) that made him so scared of Liz learning he's her father? That's a perfectly acceptable continuation of their story, and it's also perfectly logical. Red had so many opportunities to come clean, but he never did, so he must have had a reason.
As it is now, maybe the bones belong to Red. And our "Red" is not Red. And who cares?
At any rate, the accuracy of the paternity reveal itself is irrelevant now, because Liz believes it, and sees Red as her father. This is the only Red she's ever known (or the only one she remembers) and she sees him as her father. The end. The only potential reveal to trump that would be the Redemption-inspired replicant theory.
Now that I said Redemption, I loved how they brought Tom back into the fold. He really adds something to this show.
As did Mr. Kaplan. I'm holding out hope, both for her and Hitchens, because this show is dumb, but if this was the end, at least she went out on her own terms.
I only have one wish for the next season. Bring back Julian Gale.
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21 hours ago, Jediknight said:
They were able to distract Savitar long enough for HR to swoop in and replace Iris, right?
Agreed.
15 hours ago, mj2000 said:7. Although HR acts silly most of the time, I find it hard to believe that he would be so careless as to slip Iris's whereabouts in front of Barry (actually turning out to be Savitar).
It's definitely possible that HR is just that dumb (or distracted), and he then (presumably) sacrificed himself out of guilt, but what if that was part of the plan? To tell Barry/Savitar where "Iris" was, so HR could take her place, and Savitar could still think he has "her"? I like the idea that HR made a deal with Savitar, but is it realistic (wait forget I asked, haha). Why wouldn't Savitar just kill Iris? Is it possible the Iris/Barritar face touching does happen in the finale? And he wanted to still be created (by way of Barry "witnessing" her death) while also keeping Iris alive and all to himself?
I agree with all those who are asking about Julian. He is my favorite, so I did miss him, but his absence was glaring just plot-wise. Where is he, while Killer Frost is doing all this? Why would he leave, and why would no one mention him? He's either also part of the masterplan, or the writers couldn't come up with a good excuse and he'll show up next week like he never left.
6 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:The face switching technology was introduced earlier in the season by HR. When he showed up and was told he couldn't go out in public, he used it to go out and buy his coffee. And then revealed how he was able to do it. We never saw or heard about that technology again until last night.
That was so clunky. So many people have been wondering about that, ever since it was introduced, and there have been previous opportunities to organically mention that technology before (even recently, when Tracy was introduced. Who does she see when she looks at HR?), but the show failed to do that. Casually mentioning the fact face-switching is still a thing in this story, that would have worked out great. Bringing it back in the penultimate episode? Way too obvious. Poor planning by the writers (then again, what isn't?).
If HR is indeed dead, I will not miss him. Especially because we got Harry. It's so striking, how I can absolutely adore one of them and be so annoyed by the other. I almost want to say "good riddance" but I respect his sacrifice.
Also, Candice Patton was fantastic. I wish the writing all season matched her talent.
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3 hours ago, BkWurm1 said:
Except in that case, the past was changed and thus nullified the existence of the remnant. (Which is what should have happened with Thawn) Time remnants that Barry could go recruit (because create is a term that really misconstrues what happens) would have no reason to cease to exist. It honestly bothers me how casual they are about time remnants dying.
Agreed. I said it at the time, too, in the LoT finale thread. They did a surprisingly great job at resolving the time travel issues (as much as they can be resolved). And they had a much more accurate/straight-forward definition of "time aberration." Compared to them, the writers of the Flash seem even more incompetent. And the Flash story is that much more convoluted. It's all so vague, that they don't bother to give a "basic" explanation (unless Cisco's squiggly lines count). On Legends, they managed to "explain" everything without even going into specifics, because the way they used time travel (especially in the finale) was organic, and the viewer could intuitively follow it. On The Flash, personally I've been struggling to follow along, because the rules change every two minutes.
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14 minutes ago, doram said:
But it's not a closed loop - the fact that they can break out of it, already makes it not a closed one.
And what makes it worse for them to give us this quasi-closed-loop explanation is that they set it up so badly. For a closed loop to be effective, there has to be a eureka! moment for the audience (and not the characters who exist in this loop and don't realise they can't break out of it) where all the pieces fall into place.
That's what happens at the end of The Terminator (first movie) when Sarah takes the photo at the end and we realise that it's the same photo that Kyle was looking at in the future and we (the audience) see the answer to the question he asked - "what was she thinking about" was "him." (This is an even bigger mind-fuck than realising Kyle is the baby's father because you suddenly realise that he fell in love with a picture of her as she thought of the man she loved - him.) You see that in Misfits when we finally realise what motivated Superhoodie to meet his fate unflinchingly. Same for 12 Monkeys.
There is no eureka moment for the audience in this story. Apart from Future-Flash's throwaway line of "Savitar killed the time remnants mostly", which occurred one episode before the reveal - the only clues we had about Savitar's identity were foreshadowing clues that aren't particular to this being a time loop.
If they had done as they ought to have - and established Barry creating time remnants earlier - not only would it have been a eureka moment for the audience, it would make sense why Savitar would reveal his identity now. He has nothing to lose. The time remnant already exists and is already on the path to becoming him. At this point, why would Barry make time remnants knowing what he knows? By revealing his origin story before that story has happened - Savitar has already ended the cycle, Iris's death making no difference.
Whoa, I actually didn't consider the idea that this episode itself was about them breaking (and then unbreaking) the loop. They've definitely failed to set up the elements required to "create" (or facilitate) the loop, the time remnants especially, but yeah, I guess they did break the loop. Or did they?
I imagine Savitar would remember it, if the team had erased his memories in a prior iteration of the loop? So that was an original idea? Is it safe to assume that Cisco comes up with that idea in every loop? Therefore the loop is, indeed, closed and never broken? Is Barry's/Savitar's amnesia part of the loop? Hell, is Tracy part of the loop? Or Barry's trip to the future, which led to her?
The end result is Barry turning into Savitar (and Iris's death seems important for no reason that we've established, other than Barry's angst) but this iteration of the loop that we're in, is it just like all the others? Savitar is always one step ahead, so I'd imagine yes. But up to which point? Again, does it include Tracy? And her Speed Force trap? If that's new, I guess the loop is not closed, after all.
And I agree, the ever-murky time remnants are such a terrible plot device. As others (and) you have said, why would Barry start making them now that he knows about Savitar?
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9 minutes ago, legaleagle53 said:
Won't happen, and you can thank (or blame) Tom Cavanagh for that. His contract specifically allows him to play a new and different version of Wells each season to keep him from getting bored with the part. That's why Harry went back to Earth-2 and HR came to replace him on the team. I just wonder how HR is going to exit, especially since he's apparently found his soulmate in Tracy and the two have very obviously fallen for each other, although neither of them is ready to admit it even to themselves just yet. I also wonder what new version of Wells we're going to get next season.
Oh! Well, then they should have killed Harry, frankly. I don't like knowing we could be seeing him every week, but we're not, for reasons unrelated to the story.
That said, that also pleases me, because it means we'll definitely get rid of HR. I can only imagine the "new" Wells will be better than HR (but also probably worse than Harry, sadly).
I love Tom Cavanagh, but not enough to automatically love every character he plays, no matter how well he plays them. Eobard was great, Harry was amazing, but HR was a dud, for me. Hopefully the new version will be a lot better.
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I love how I came in this thread to refresh my memory about time remnants and to answer my questions on "aberrations" (at least as compared to LoT) and to maybe sort out the timeline, and now I'm even more confused. This entire storyline makes no sense. The only thing that made sense to me in the episode was Cisco saying this was a closed time loop. That's always been what I figured, so I was glad to see it confirmed. The rest? I have no idea and I don't think the writers do, either.
Question: couldn't Killer Frost save all those people? Couldn't she extinguish the fire easily? Couldn't they ask her to help Barry, at least? Couldn't Cisco say "help Barry or else I'm kicking you out of STAR labs and Savitar will never get his memories back"? True, they both needed to "fix" Barry's memories so he'd be bluffing, but so what?
Julian and Cisco together = comedy gold. This entire episode was very funny, without being over the top. I really liked it.
Candice Patton is so talented. She got some more screentime this week and she shone.
I still don't like or care about HR and I skip his scenes with Tracy because I don't care. I hope he's gone by the end of the season. And I hope Julian stays. Stays alive, at least, if not on the actual show. But I would settle for losing him (with pain in my heart) if we could get Harry back. Julian/Cisco is great, but Harry/Cisco was amazing.
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I liked the finale. The truck stunt was wild enough for a season finale, and I thought Danny's whining was totally justified and not as annoying as it can sometimes be. I've felt that all season, as I've said in many of the episode threads. The writers had gone overboard with it, and it used to come off snappish and angry, but throughout season 7, I think the "banter" was spot on. The nastiness was gone, and it was mostly the friendship shining through. Both Steve and Danny can be annoying, but this season that was less aggravating to me as a viewer, and more of a character flaw that makes them imperfect but still likeable.
And the radiation poisoning scene was sweet. Scott Caan is very good when he tries. I liked how he played the juxtaposition between Danny's "normal" worry about Steve ("Steve is jumping off a bridge, and he could possibly die, except of course he won't, because he's a badass, but I'm still gonna whine about it to annoy him"), and the very real worry that Steve might eventually get sick, and they won't be able to do much about it ("my dear friend might not have long to live and I'm deeply upset").
I won't lie, I skipped all the Kono scenes. This show does not do serious crimes well. I remember a similar storyline on Without A Trace, with Mariane Jean-Baptiste's character, but that one made perfect sense. First, because that show was about people missing for years (as trafficking victims often are), and secondly because it was a serious, (mostly) well-written show that wasn't about explosions and gunfire. On Hawaii Five-0, I don't expect that level of sincerity. And that's okay, because that's not what this show is about. That said, all the Kono scenes felt flat, as a result.
Julie Benz looked fantastic. Better than usual, I think. As did DDK. I like them together.
17 hours ago, illdoc said:At the first roadblock (the one where the SF treat almost got run over), why didn't they lay down that spike chain to blow the tires of the truck (even the evil guy on the season finale of Criminal Minds knew to do that!)??? BTW, after Steve took Charlie to the vending machine, what happened to him? Charlie was not seen again until the party at the end. Who was watching him? Everyone was in the war room (or whatever it was called), dealing with the white slaver.
Right? And Steve grabbed the backpack with the toy cars/trucks to demonstrate his crazy idea. Which means Charlie was still there, somewhere. Where was he?
And while I'm asking questions, I missed a handful of the previous episodes (I'll catch up over the summer), but did Danny break up with that weirdly young girl? Or is he "closer" to/"in love with" his ex-wife regardless of that relationship? And did Steve break up with that girl with the bad wig? Or was she missing from the finale for budgetary reasons, like Adam?
Anyway, this entire season was a lot of fun, and that was very surprising to me, after a couple of underwhelming seasons. Like I said when the renewal was announced, I'm actually happy the show gets to go on. It's enjoyable again. I'll definitely be watching Season 8.
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Very sad to see this show go. It was so fun, well acted, and perfect for what it was. At least we were expecting it, so we were prepared. At this point, I'll just look at it as a "limited" mini series which served its purpose (it properly utilized Ryan Eggold, and it gave us 8 action-packed episodes).
On the bright side, Tom/Ryan Eggold will be returning to The Blacklist as a regular, so I'm going to hope against hope that we get some sort of a resolution on the Scottie/Howard story.
Maybe next year, if the Red/Liz mystery is finally resolved, Liz and Tom can just open Season 5 with a long conversation about their parentage.
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Tom's back!
Ryan Eggold will rejoin The Blacklist for S5 as a series regular.
Let's hope they bring Scottie and Howard around for one episode, just to get some closure on that storyline.
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7 hours ago, calipiano81 said:
The debt collector wasn't going to harm Liz. He was hired and received instructions not to.
41 minutes ago, ItCouldBeWorse said:Yes, but he admitted to being a sadist - can you really trust him if he has time on his hands and the client doesn't show? (although Mr. Kaplan would have rescued her, I suppose.) ALso, Liz could have been accidentally harmed trying to escape from the Debt Collector. Didn't we just hear about another kidnapper hired by Red who was instructed not to hurt the victim and things went terribly wrong? Red doesn't learn from his own history!7
Exactly! We saw it just last week, you can't trust a crazy person not to murder someone just because you told them to! That's insane, that Red would put her in danger like th... wait, that's actually perfectly consistent with Red's behavior all these years.
I think the main issue is that Red's entire life and criminal empire and whatever are all dedicated to protecting Liz, and no one cares about Liz (I'm referring to the viewers). Like, let her die, Raymond. It's fine. No one will miss her.
I gotta say, I've done a complete 180 on Gale. He is now my favorite character*. I don't know what Enrique Murciano thinks he's doing, and how self-aware he is (I remember him being a somewhat reserved actor, at least on Without A Trace, so I would hope/assume he's doing it on purpose), but he's giving me Nic Cage vibes and I am all for it.
*save for Mr. Kaplan
1 minute ago, TigerLynx said:I can't believe it, but I was actually saying shut up Dembe when Red and Dembe were talking about Kaplan.
I know! I wonder if Dembe was the voice of the writers, and was also supposed to be the voice of the audience? A way to get us to agree that Mr. Kaplan needs to die, and Red is in the right? If so, shut up, Dembe. Red almost killed you five minutes ago. What do you know?
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I'm happy for the renewal, even though I've fallen behind on this show. I've yet to watch the last 2 episodes, and I thought I might just marathon them along with the finale, but watching 3 episodes of DS back-to-back? Will it be awesome or will I fall asleep? Who knows.
I used to be really excited to watch this every week, but the last few episodes were a chore to watch. I'm hoping for a balls-to-the-wall finale, so I can get excited for season 2.
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44 minutes ago, calipiano81 said:
Red does asshole-y things, but I don't think he is an asshole. As he said a few episodes ago, he actually hates violence. He feels remorse and regret for the horrible things he does, but he has to do them to survive in his criminal world. And the reason why he is in the criminal world has everything to do with Liz, which we are waiting for the show to fully explain.
That's a good in-show explanation, but as a viewer, if I subscribe to that theory (that in the criminal world it's "kill or be killed"), then why shouldn't I root for another criminal (in this case, Mr. Kaplan) to kill Red, so she herself is not killed? Why should Red be the criminal who always kills others? Let somebody kill him. The only reason that doesn't happen, is that Spader is the lead. It makes no sense. Red has a huge weakness (Liz) and yet no one has managed to kill him by using his love for her.
That's the case on most tv shows, of course, the leads survive because otherwise there'd be no show, but with most other shows I actually want the leads to survive. I felt the same about Red, I wanted him to win against all the previous "major" villains (most of whom have been underwhelming) and the FBI itself (because they're incompetent), but now that he's up against Mr. Kaplan, I just can't root for him. It's kill or be killed, he tried to kill her, he failed, and now it's her turn to kill him. She is amazing. If Red kills her, I'll just be disappointed (which is why I'm hoping for a twist).
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I used to love Red, but this season he's giving me House vibes. As in, he's a total asshole but we're expected to root for him because he's played by a great actor and he's the lead of the show. That's the only reason we're supposed to be on his side (Lord knows he's done nothing to earn my sympathy lately). Meanwhile, Mr. Kaplan is also played by a great actress, and as a character she has a motivation I can get behind. She did not deserve what she got, and she's been far more merciful than Red, and she's nowhere near as villainous and murderous, so I'm on her side. I want her to kill Red. I'd also settle for her sparing his life and letting him know he is only alive because of her, but we know Red would murder her one second later, because loyalty means nothing to him unless he benefits from it, so that's out. And he can't really get incarcerated, not on this show. So death it is. And I'm going to be very sad when it's Mr. Kaplan who bites it. I already don't like Red, and when he kills her that'll be irredeemable, in my eyes. Dare I hope for a last-minute twist?
That said, I agree with this:
On 6/5/2017 at 6:44 AM, calipiano81 said:Furthermore, Dr. Krilov told Liz that "a mutual acquaintance" hired him two years ago and indicated it was a male, but he never said Red hired him. Some people think it could be Cooper.
I think it'll be Cooper too. Just for the twist.
As for Agnes and the dogs, truly, what was the point? They never should have written in Megan Boone's pregnancy. I have to admit it did give us some fun episodes (before the birth), and the fake death was a good plot, but now it's obvious just how extraneous a baby is to a show like this.
That said, Ryan Eggold did a twitter Q&A for Redemption and he was asked who's watching Agnes. His answer? Our dog. So there's a thought.
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Someone tell me why I shouldn't be rooting for Mr. Kaplan. This episode especially made me root for her 100%. Am I supposed to cheer when she inevitably meets her demise? That's going to be the season-ending plot development that's supposed to satisfy me as a viewer, after a long and less than satisfying season? Eh.
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Dr. Nate Heywood
in Legends Of Tomorrow
I did a small marathon/re-watch of S2 (including some episodes I skipped the first time around), and somehow I like Nate now. I don't know what happened (maybe his almost-high five with Damien Darhk?). It was a very slow process. At first, like many people, I didn't think he was necessary, though I did think Zano is likeable and watchable as an actor. As the season progressed, I liked him a little better, but still, he was just there for me, and he also had some low moments. When I first watched the finale, that was when I got an inkling I actually liked him. When he and Amaya decided to stay a) on the show and b) together, I found myself kind of cheering?
So, when I rewatched the entire season, I paid closer attention to them. I ended up enjoying the Nate/Amaya dynamic, and also the Nate/Ray dynamic (I had skipped the Camelot episode initially, and the Shogun episode, and the Jonah Hex episode, so I had missed their major moments). At first I thought Nate and Ray were too similar, but in the end I think Nate actually helped Ray come off as a more likeable character (instead of just whining over his suit, Ray focused on training Nate. Instead of just whining about changing history, Ray gave Nate some advice about dating Amaya. Instead of being the group's solitary goofy/nerdy bro, Ray found a bro to bro out with, which made him seem less desperate). And Nate/Amaya totally came out of nowhere, which was especially glaring during my rewatch, but still, they did have good chemistry, and they shared several nice moments after their random first encounter, so I eventually came to like them together. I have to admit, the scene of him crying in her arms after his grandfather died, it really got to me.
Basically, I think Nate is a useful character, in retrospect, because he works well with the others. Nate by himself, he's not that special, but all his interactions with the others (Amaya, Ray and Sara, especially) are fun, and they make the team feel more like a team. He's not my favorite, or anything (that would be Mick), but I'm glad he's staying.