Miss Dee

It's quoted that she's a "femme fatale"? Wonder if they mean those words literally? This isn't film noir, but....

I've been around people who stubbornly refuse to take medication they need. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. The difference is this: are you doing it for your benefit or theirs? Drugging Ichabod so that Hawley and Abbie can have a big laugh at his expense: abhorrent. Drugging Ichabod because Hawley and Abbie know he's stubborn and can't convince him to take medicine he needs any other way: expedient.

I don't know...I've been in very few fandoms where TPTB engaged in blatant shipper-bating only to go "Gotcha!" at the end. I still remember the endless angsty posts that were written about GSR (Gil Grissom/Sara Sidle) before Season 6's finale; people saw so many red herrings (Catherine, Sofia...funny how the red herring's always a woman), and got so discouraged in six years, scarcely daring to believe that a show with so many breadcrumbs was actually going to lead somewhere. So I get it, I truly do. And I'm not saying it's a done deal. But after all the stories I've read and watched over a lifetime, this show absolutely reeks of setting up Ichabbie in a slow-burn romance while setting up Ichatrina at the beginning for it to take a fatal flaw later. All show runners are Lying Liars Who Lie; I don't pay attention to them. The story is where the truth lies. And in my judgment, this show is currently screaming "Ichabbie is end game!" at the top of its lungs. It's the breadcrumb approach and it takes time, though. That's not to say, though, that the narrative might not change later. All things are possible. But from what I'm seeing it's not a concern right now.

I don't think she's a Cousin Oliver. I like what she brings to the show.

Yeah, I'm liking that picture.

I'd also like to submit Deep Space 9 for your consideration. While it's critically acclaimed now as possibly the best Trek series, it came in for a lot of criticism and low ratings during its run. The mythology and serial storytelling alone was years ahead of its time.

This was the first item on my Christmas list. The husband assures me he has it, but I'm not allowed to actually watch it until Christmas!

I liked that they went an entirely different route for Potter than they did for Henry Blake. Blake just let the zoo run mad and either ran mad with them or tried to stay out of the way. It wouldn't have been realistic to get two such officers in a row, now to mention feeling redundant. With Potter the audience got to see how the camp operated under a competent soldier. Despite the preachiness I really liked the Potter years.

Would Longmire fit here? The husband and I are still not over that.

Let's hope it's not for an ending scene where they all gather around Katrina reverently crying "Mother!"....

I just want to point out that the Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelations has traditionally been portrayed as having red hair.... Or maybe that's a different Whore? Either way, there's some kind of biblical Whore who is usually depicted as red-haired.

HalcyonDays, I don't think your link works. It takes me back to this page.

I thought it was *very* interesting that when Abbie recited the spell, it worked. Either anyone at all in this universe can work magic once they speak the right words, or there's something more here that meets the eye....

...Am I the only one who didn't get why the dog didn't recognize Fry when he walked by? Do i nor get it because I didn't watch a whole lot of Futurama?

I wonder if Selina Kyle and Bruce Wayne keep a friendship going without realizing (or working hard not to realize) that they go toe-to-toe sometimes as Catwoman and Batman.

Poster John Potts had a theory on the Penguin thread that his identity is misdirection and he's actually a proto-Joker. I like that one myself. It always frustrates me when shows based on comics don't take the opportunity to tweak viewer expectations and play with some of the identities and back stories. (Bitter ex-Chlois subscriber talking there....)

I love that theory, John Potts. And looking at the promo above, it certainly would be a "long con" on the audience. Not to mention a good way of introducing The Joker into the story without generating a massive amount of hype that would be impossible to live up to.

http://thedailyfandom.com/abbie-mills-dodging-double-binds/ This was posted in the Sleepy Hollow threads; I thought some people might find it interesting.

Thanks for posting this, it was really interesting.

I just figured the company making the toy put a z on the end to make it sound cooler and appeal to kids, like "Bratz". So it might have been done for search optimization, but that works as well for the company inside the show as CBS outside it. I thought it was pretty clever, actually, and a great way of updating "orange pips." I'm liking this new direction. Sherlock and Watson are a little distant but they're not sniping and back biting. I make a point of giving new female characters a chance when they end up on my shows and so far Kitty is nothing egregious to deal with. I am hoping to see a mentor/mentee relationship grow between Joan and Kitty as well as Sherlock and Kitty. Almost like giving Sherlock and Joan a chance to "play parents" without any of that pesky UST involved.

Me too I'll delete my vote if that becomes an option.

Sorry, I don't know why it didn't print my reply; I'm on my phone and have no idea how to edit from here. Anyway, my reply was to say you are right on, and I think I'll follow your lead. It's too bad though. I love discussing the good and bad of shows in a thoughtful way, and it's hard now to find the signal among the noise.

UO: I still like Sleepy Hollow. I like Hawley and Sheriff Reyes. I think it's early in the season and we'll see Jenny and Irving by and by. I don't think Abbie is relegated to being "the help." I don't think Ichabod is an asshat or that Katrina is an albatross around the show's neck. I think John Noble is still fun to watch. In short, while it's got going pains this season I still look forward to it every week. And I'm thinking maybe I should just avoid any discussion of it until people calm down.

For lead male/lead female relationships on a genre show without a hint of romance I would recommend watching Person of Interest (Reese/Shaw), Elementary (Holmes/ Watson); possibly Agents of Shield as well (Phil/May), if the few episodes I saw are anything to go by. Of course, two of these three actresses are women of colour while the third is of Iranian descent. Well now, isn't that a coincidence....

I saw it on the early CTV feed. Very enjoyable and comic-booky. Harold is rather sexy in this one!