TheGreenKnight

I just hope the show's ratings won't fall more than expected because of the change of schedule. The off one week, new ep, off two weeks, new ep, off one week, etc. strategy is not going to maintain consistency.

Thank you, CR. Happy for a Sunny-Joy fest (funny how upbeat both their names are...lol)--without Whoopi or Raven.

I'm just glad she was fired already. I was worried after the election was over and they weren't talking politics quite as much, the show would decide to keep her. Crisis averted.

I definitely noticed when watching, but forgot it when I came here. She should be a fan of Comey's because he has a R next to his name, shouldn't she? Or is he evil because he was appointed by Obama? And apparently Hillary and Obama have to be evil incarnate because of the D next to their names (which I imagine stands for Devil to Crème-Brule) and Trump is God's choice just because of the R next to his name--despite the stark contrast between their demeanors and behaviors. She is such a tool. I don't like Wallace at all and find Maddow a bit smarmy even though I agree with her. I'll stick with Joy to unwind (and, thankfully, Sunny will also be there--YAY!), maybe flipping elsewhere during commercials. Too bad Crème-Brule will be there instead of Paula despite the latter having broadcasting experience, a voice that doesn't sound like a gargle, and the ability to speak coherently while the former possesses none of those qualities.

So should we create another topic for the election special on Lifetime or just post in the regular, weekly thread?

The best part about Candace being at the table—well, the only good thing about her being at the table—is watching her face steam up while listening to Joy talk and then being too incompetent to know how to counter her. Jedi was still trying to downplay what Comey did (surprise, surprise), but I’m glad Joy was not cooperating. It’s incredibly disconcerting and infuriating to see our FBI violate the law to sway the election. Even worse to think that a member of one of the campaigns (Giuliani) has contacts there to help manipulate how things play out. I’m glad Whoopi smacked down the Jedi in one of her endless attempts to spin for Trump. I have no respect for anyone who supports him, and that includes Jedi who comes to his defense almost daily Joy wondering about how much her mother would have liked a Swiffer made me laugh.

I don't think vilifying them for what they were led to Trump. I think the Republican Party giving passes to racism and misogyny--and outright making it a part of their platform--led to Trump.

Isn't the same true for most of the main characters' temporary angst on this show before the next angsting storyline begins? As for not showing her doing things in the Underworld, that's on the writers not thinking it would be interesting, not a reflection of the character. We were never personally shown any of her victims in the Underworld to know she was ignoring them or deliberately choosing not to help them, so I can hardly use that as a reason to say the character hasn't changed. I'm sorry you don't agree, but the comparison is still completely justified, imo. Changing bad habits is the same whether those habits are self-harming or causing harm to others. Only, in real life, when a person causes harm to others in the way Regina has you normally end up being locked up or put to death. Her inner thoughts about Hook's resurrection makes complete sense when you consider it's the first impulse of a woman who killed another woman's husband on their wedding day because she was jealous they were happy and she was not, who wanted to destroy Snow's happiness because her own was taken away. Her initial motivation was very clear: she wanted to change for Henry. In 3B, she had more motivation to do so because of Robin and the possibility that her life didn't have to be spent alone just because Daniel had died. The motivation to do what's right for right's sake is something that has gradually happened over time, mostly after the resolution of 4B, probably because just the act of doing good has rubbed off on her and she enjoys being a part of a family with the rest of the main characters. We don't know if she still blames Snow (I don't think so, but there's no specific dialogue existing to confirm), but I do think it's clear she doesn't want to kill her anymore going by 6.02. The difference is Regina is not a normal person. She has already acted on those impulses many, many times before. And when she and Rumpel (and any other villain) has killed a person on this show--they're smiling. Because it makes them feel powerful and in control, and since they lack(ed) any moral code, that's all that apparently mattered to them. And behaving differently IS changing. Knowing her thoughts are evil/wrong and--especially--not acting on them means she has changed.

No, but you should be able to like more than 1 co-host at the table for a talkshow. I'm not sure what viewer they're reaching when 3/5 everyone at the table is essentially the same.

Yeah, it's not like anything bad has ever happened to Regina on this show, like when Henry openly rejected her throughout the first two seasons, Rumpel helped to kill Cora, she was tortured by Tamara and what's-his-name, Henry was kidnapped in part because of the guy whose father she'd killed in "Welcome to Storybrooke" wanting revenge, she had to let Henry go at the end of 3A because of the fine details of her Curse, find out Cora had another child who was more powerful than her and who wanted to wipe her + Henry out of existence in 3B, meet Henry without any memory of her in 3B, have her boyfriend's wife she killed brought back to life right when her relationship was solidified, have to save said wife's life when her heart was frozen and then watch them leave town, learn her sister broken up her relationship and raped her boyfriend (having his child where she never would be able to), nearly have her boyfriend killed because of her past in Camelot, have her boyfriend wiped out of existence by her sister's boyfriend because she was trying to give her sister the same chance to reform she had, and be forced to kill someone after she just split herself to get rid of her darkness. Most of her pain had a connection to her evil actions or her past evil--so it's not like she hasn't suffered for what she's done to other people.

So 1 of the bots isn’t overtly Christian. What diversity! Nearly the first half of the show was about politics. Social issues definitely are not a reason they would have to keep Sunny off the show when they have 3 other people saying more regressive, disgusting things than she's ever said. And let's not forget Jedidiah who is an absolute flop in the non-political discussions herself.

It doesn't show that at all, imo. All it shows is that she understands that Regina is likely at her weakest moment. Even Emma has done bad things when she's lost a loved one--see the aftermath of her keeping Hook from dying in 5A.

Somehow I'm guessing those people always whining that The View should be "fair and balanced" were perfectly okay with today's show when there were 3 white Christian self-professed conservatives ganged up together and Joy was the moderator so she could barely speak either.... Thanks for the warning, ginger90. I'm already at the point that we should just expect Jedistupid to be there even though Sunny has the same title as her and is invisible on this show. At least we get one day next week without that repulsive, two-faced troll.

Well, there wasn't any other options besides Rumpel or Zelena, was there--neither of whom have any outright ill will towards her like TEQ. She believed Regina would go evil again at the end of 5 because Daniel dying is what sent her off the deep end in the first place. That's a pretty normal reaction for Emma to expect following Robin's death. Btw, while I'm on that point, the contrast between Regina's choices following Robin's death and her choices following Daniel's death shows the character has progressed quite a huge degree over the course of the series.

And Emma's judgment is suspect how?

I'm sorry you don't agree, but it is an apt comparison. Evil behavior is a habit that is hard to break just like an addiction. And the show does portray Regina’s struggle to stop doing evil the same way as an addiction.

I don't think that's true. You can do the right thing because it's the right thing even if it is not enjoyable. And, naturally, not doing what you want when you want and not having complete power/control isn't enjoyable when that's the kind of life you've lead for quite a long time. For comparison’s sake, do you think every minute of not using/drinking/gambling/etc. isn't miserable for an addict just because they know that not doing so is the right thing?

Instinct is NOT an action. Emma asked her how she felt and she answered her honestly. This is why Emma did not care. I think asabovesobelow is absolutely right that if you don't like the character being redeemed, you never will. Which is fine, but you shouldn't expect the show will cater to you. And let's be honest that what you think a person needs to do to "redeem" themselves is extremely subjective. In-show, Emma and Snow do feel that Regina has redeemed herself to them. *shrug*

I'd say she's looking forward to Tuesday more than any of these ladies. It's funny seeing how anxious and bumbling she is trying her best not to step in it with anyone on any side on any topic. In other words--what is her purpose on The View if she has no opinion about anything?

Ain't that the truth. Paula is much better than Candace or Jedi and she makes more sense to have on an election special than an actress with no understanding of politics or news.

What an awful panel today. Poor Sunny has been exiled thanks to Whoopi. Let's hope at least 2 of these Foxbots are gone at the end of this season. Jedi continues to deny Comey did anything wrong (funny when Williams did not roll with her spin), Candace continues to lie about Trump's bullying behavior (he counter-attacks rather than starting anything himself--what a load of BS), and both tried to pretend Melania giving an empty speech about cyber-bullying at all counters Trump's "character issues" (as Jedistupid would say). These people are repulsive and Sara is almost as bad because she says nothing at all.

At least Sunny will be there, thank all that is holy. I have no idea why'd they choose to have Candace there instead of Paula though.

I agree. I thought Arthur and especially McClanahan both looked prettier at the end of the series than at the beginning. In the earlier seasons, some of the to-do over how attractive Blanche was didn't make sense to me. I assumed it was mostly her personality/confidence since she was just average to me, looks-wise. (And the show sometimes seemed to imply the same; like the episode we learn that Rue chose her roommates by how much older they looked than her... lol ) But looking at the later seasons, the character was a little more believable in that area for me. I'm remembering in particular the moonlight madness episode with that blue dress--McClanahan looked gorgeous.

I don't have the aversion to Depp others have, it's just he is not my picture of Grindelwald at all. Wasn't Grindelwald an attractive, exhilarating blonde? Not sure Depp would fit any of those characteristics except the attractive one, and even then he's not attractive in the way I'd imagined Grindelwald.

Sorry, I do not agree with any of this. I believe Regina has apologized with actions. Helping Snow and Emma return to Storybrooke in S2, stopping the diamond-thing-whatever at the end of S2, giving Emma and Henry a good "past" to live happily outside Storybrooke at the end of 3A, helping to find Emma with the others in 5A, going to the Underworld to help Emma resurrect Hook, saving Snow's and Charming's lives at the beginning of S6. And I feel like there have been several times Regina has apologized in dialogue including this season--although not explicitly bringing up specific wrongs that were done the way you would prefer--but surprisingly I don't remember exact dialogue from 100+ episodes and have no interest in re-watching the series with a notebook to recite things back to you. Mostly because I have a feeling that even if we had a whole episode where the only dialogue was Regina saying, "I'm sorry" for 60 minutes, people would still say, "She never apologized!"