KateeBar

Okay, fine. The Richard and Sutton thing was stupidly written but...I like Sutton a lot overall, so I liked her getting her version of a happy ending. And at least they've made her good at her job, despite that dumb idea of leaving fashion week for a dude. Come on show. I am really disappointed with how they wrote Jane this whole season. She became such a self-centered brat, I don't know how she would keep friends. And why do they have to perpetuate the idea that a smart, nice guy like Ben is dull and the cad is the right guy? And Kat. I just want the Adena storyline to be done so she can get something fresh to work with.

Are there FOUR unlit taper candles in that scene with Brandon and Kelly making out? Or are my old eyes deceiving me? And if they are candles...what is going on there? When Donna's hair isn't bound by some army of teeny clips, I think it might be one of her better hair eras. The color is not of earth, of course.

I think this arc is wearing us all down! I was really dismayed at them fighting in front of the kids like that, but my parents did it too when they got divorced. Everything comes bubbling to the surface and you quit being the person you want to be. The kids were all all really good this episode, especially Junior. He was so naively hopeful for them, and it rang very true. And I liked how Ruby and Pops were written in that ending - they spoke truthfully and kindly. I'm still really sad about this whole storyline but at least it's being written and acted well.

I think it is one of the best depictions of the disintegration of a marriage I've seen. And it's well-acted and well-shot and well-written. It's just hard to watch one of your favorite comedies go so bleak when it kind of feels like a lot of the outside world is bleak. I won't quit the show, because I appreciate the effort going into all of this, but I still want it to be sharply incisive comedy for my own selfish reasons, I guess.

Wow. On the one hand, this show is doing a bleak, unhappy couple story very, very well. On the other hand, I miss laughing at this show. I just don't want a show that was one of the best sitcoms in years to end on a sour note, and it feels like we are headed that way.

There's a lot wrong in this picture show but...what is Mrs. Ben's Mom wearing on her feet?!? It looks she shoved them into footballs.

I just have to confess - last week, on a chilly morning, I held my coffee mug around the bowl (?) and not by the handle. I kid you not, I looked down and thought "well, now I'm Brandon and Sarah D. Bunting would chastise me for this" and changed my grip.

I was pretty hopeful for this show, because I have enjoyed the heck out of Lethal Weapon (maybe I'm in the minority there? I haven't checked the forum lately). So I was hoping maybe Fox could pull off another fun, frothy action show, anchored by some pretty stellar actors. But this was pretty bad. Connie Britton is saddled with some terrible dialogue, and Peter Krause is saddled with that terrible rookie. I guess I am supposed to root for his redemption arc, but I felt like his bad acts were not redeemable, and I did not like the actor at all. Why are these women fawning over this guy? If he sticks around, I sincerely hope he comes on to exactly the wrong woman who kicks him squarely in the nuts. I'll watch a few, to see if it settles, because the cast has such potential. But whew. That was bad.

This was a tough episode for me, in an emotional way. My dad was an alcoholic, and went away for treatment when I was 9 or so, as my parents were also divorcing. During that time, some of the things my mom said and did wounded me to the point I feel them today. I know now, with adulthood and therapy, that her own pain probably drove some of that. But I'm now a middle-aged woman who can still be triggered really easily by her, no matter how I try to be the bigger person. Now that we are in TMI territory...all that was to say I totally understood Kate tonight. She was rude and bratty and should do better, but I 100% get it over here in unpopular opinion corner. And damn it Toby, do not make me like you. The center cannot hold.

I did not love this episode. I can buy manic Randall being pushy about his plan, but I don't buy Beth's response. She has never seemed like the silent treatment type. That was off to me. I think my biggest issue was Toby, same as last season. I just can't stand that character. Thanks to the Fug Girls, I've now seen the actor in a bunch of red carpet pictures and he seems EXHAUSTING in still photos, with his posing and accessories and wacky suit choices. Which has made me wonder - was Toby originally written differently, and the actor was all "let me punch him up, improvise a little" and then we got the Toby we now see? I sort of wonder if Jack was in an accident, and the house burned while Rebecca was at the hospital? Though that just seems like too much tragedy to lump on them, too. I hope there's an explanation soon.

Clare's suit is awful. I think the hair is better but still not good. It seems like they are legitimately trying to make Clare unattractive, once they realized that Kathleen Robertson might actually be quite a bit prettier than a couple other people. Ahem. Looking back, wouldn't it have been fun to have a Val/Clare spin-off where they could be smart and snarky and bitchy together, while prowling the clubs of Los Angeles? As an aside - do you think they did that aggressively wide collar spread on Priestley to try and minimize the shelfiness of his hair? It didn't work.

Are they just handed v-neck tees and pomade for these photo shoots? Holy cow. Despite how terrible the photos and bios are, and how terrible the show always is, and how I always threaten to not watch next season...I'm SO ready for it to be back. And can't wait for the podcast!!

I didn't hate this episode, but I was (perhaps overly) excited about Rebecca starting to have a breakthrough last week, and I'm bummed it was stalled with this dumb engagement. I also miss White Josh a lot. And while I don't want another love triangle, and miss Greg immensely, I love Scott Michael Foster and won't mind him sticking around a bit. I do like the idea of Paula and Scott getting back together and I'm curious how the show will handle that storyline. The reality is, lots of people fight through infidelity, and a smart show like this should be able to show the work that goes into that kind of marriage rebuilding. I hope they can do the idea justice.

Loved this episode as well. Some of those workplace conversations were almost exactly like real-life conversations I've had with co-workers and friends since the election. While this season has been a bit more uneven than the previous two, I continue to appreciate the writing team's ability to deliver intelligent and thought-provoking discourse on hot button topics, in a sitcom. Of course it all doesn't land perfectly, but I'll take some of the thuds along with the brilliant bits. And I too can't figure out who would criticize the kid actors. I find them some of the best on TV at this point. Interesting.

Donna, David and Clare all look pretty terrible in this episode. That "mustache" on David is the worst! I get that crop tops aren't necessarily flattering, but I'm truly confounded by that nipple situation. Even if braless, shouldn't fake boobs have a lot less sag? How do you get them pointing nearly at the floor??

I haven't even listened to the podcast yet, but I need to comment on Clare's crop-top outfit. There are a lot of terrible outfits on this show, but that one might be in the top five. Perhaps the belt is to keep her belly button warm, since it's clearly cold enough to require a long-sleeved cropped tee? I was alive and quite thin in this era. I wore vests with no shirt, baby-doll dresses, little satin camis..but I can't recall anything quite like this belt travesty happening.

Well. There were moments in the middle of the series where I questioned my commitment, but the ending made it all worthwhile. I still don't really get the movements, but I found myself choked up watching them in that ending. It's interesting - the whole thing left me with several questions, yet also not unfulfilled. I think it was pretty compelling storytelling overall. And I really enjoyed the cast. I'm just a well of profound insights.

Can we talk about how Nick is 36? Not that he can't "fall in love" with someone who's 23, but wouldn't it be nice to see women in his age range? Maybe even someone a year or two older? (Crazy talk, I know.)

I'm throwing this out there because it makes as much sense as anything else with the show - the kids are named after Gabriel García Márquez. His first novella was published in the 50s and One Hundred Years of Solitude in 1967. Unfortunately, I cannot come up with explanations for the plethora of other unanswered questions the show leaves us with. Not sure the writers or execs can either, but hey...the costumes are fun!

I'm with you guys on Christopher. The arc in the original where they got married? I wanted that to stick. Luke is SO unpleasant in OG, and that hasn't changed here. My other unpopular opinion - I like the LDB. Utterly ridiculous, but really fun scenes to watch, for me. So, Fall. I was okay with it. I didn't guess the final four but I have to say I like them better now than I would have in the original. I know Rory doesn't have her life together at all, but I would have been really disappointed if she'd ended up pregnant right out of college and basically becoming Lorelai with an Ivy League degree. And I did like the ridiculous wedding decorations. That was fun, quirky Kirk rather than disturbing Kirk.

Totally agree. I hated the parade of fat jokes opening, and for about 3/4 of this I was thinking that they are all pretty awful people to watch. Except Emily, my idol. But that last song was lovely. Maybe it's because I'm in my own mid-life crisis, but that song hit me. What also hit me was the reminder that Milo has aged REALLY well. I never really hated Jess though. I am glad they wrote him as grown-up and successful. I hope Fall is better than the rest have been. I am still glad they did the revival but it's a bit flat for me. I don't feel like they've recaptured the charm completely.

I became a Mantzoukas superfan because he is so, so funny on the How Did This Get Made podcast. I didn't love all of this, but Holt popping those balloons made me laugh out loud. His facial expressions were the best. And I continue to appreciate that Jake and Amy are often played so over the top, yet also allowed to be good and insightful friends/people. It's part of why this is such a great show.

I love this show more each week. I like how they are nicely shading in each character - Kate was not her brother's assistant just because they're related, she's smart and assertive and really good at her work. Kevin is gorgeous and successful, and seemed shallow at first, but now you can see how he's really pretty unsure of himself and I feel like what I saw at first was false bravado. And Randall, that beautiful nerd, with his wonderful wife. What a great couple. But most of all, right now I love Jack. I've always had a soft spot for Milo, but he's so good in this. He makes me tear up every week, his relationship with the kids is just so touching. Watching promos of this show this summer, I was sure it would NOT be for me. I was very wrong. As a last note - didn't miss Toby at all. That is the one part I could do without. I'll take Jami Gertz scenes over Toby scenes any day.

I just love this show. It's very silly at times, but I like silly shows when the acting underneath is actually pretty great. Wayans and Crawford are so good together, and believably forging a great friendship amidst all the nutty over the top stunts. Plus, between this show and This Is Us, we now have two wives written in a way that they are real people, not just cliches of the over-burdened, under-supported nagging wife. Refreshing. I hope it stays this good.

Kelly's hair was really terrible this season. I bet the bitchface came very naturally every time she looked at Val's gloriously perfect bob. But if forced to choose between that shagmullet and Donna's slip-on plastic hair helmet, I choose Kelly. This many episodes in, I can't figure out how I'm still shocked at how awful Brandon is and how I just apparently glossed over that on first watch.