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That wily Dr. Phil finally found a way to lure me to his show.
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My ex-BF once spitballed that Patsy sold JonBenét to the devil in exchange for cancer remission. At the time, it was as rational an idea as anything else, I suppose...
It just really sucks that the police were not so much trying to solve a crime as they were trying to close a case.
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I think they couldn't find it (along with the paintbrush pieces), Maharincess. Which could be construed as odd, considering the legal pad was there.
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Did the police extensively fingerprint the house? I'm really asking, because I don't know. The fact that they let hundreds of people tromp through their house in an annual "Christmas Homes Display" would possibly make random fingerprinting rather moot.
I feel like I read that the crime-scene people were there for a while (though what constitutes "a while"?) so we could assume they at least tried to get everything (unless there's some hanky-panky with the cops telling them to be lax to support their theory, but that's just me speculating). The show did mention something about reopening and using more sophisticated methods...but that Christmas tour is a real science killer.
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How much DNA was found? If the intruder was in the house for hours - walking around the house - wouldn't there be quite a bit? And if the intruder was smart enough to make certain to not leave a finger print or more than one hair -- but then leave his DNA on her underwear -- why would he make such a stupid mistake?
Not sure what you're asking--we leave DNA all over the place all the time (and the amounts are detailed in last night's show and online, etc., etc.). Even if the perpetrator (who I doubt was counting hairs, haha!) cleaned up, it's unlikely s/he'd get everything, especially from clothing unless s/he took it all away from the scene. As for finding it elsewhere in the house, maybe there is, maybe there's not--by letting everyone and his mom into the house, the cops made sure that it would be near impossible to figure that all out. Plus, gloves; it's possible someone would have them on up until the moment s/he was able to touch JonBenét.
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How come the Ramseys spent a ton of money on lawyers, a public relations agency and a detective to prove that they didn't kill their daughter? Why not spend that money on a team of detectives to find the real killer?
They probably (and rightfully) assumed that the existing team of detectives (which the Ramseys' tax money already paid for) would do that job. Paying for attorneys is nothing out of the ordinary for anyone (though there is some ire about how quickly they got one, which was explained last night), much less rich people. Same with PR management when something gets so sensationalized by dubious media outlets.
Do you mean Lou Smit? The Ramseys didn't hire him; the DA did.-
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There is, and it's inside my head--and has been taking up valuable space there for two decades!
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For no particular reason, I have always found Patsy Ramsey off-putting but I have no idea if she flaunted their wealth or was anything but attentive to JonBenét at the pageant events (which, by the way, look positively appropriate and tame compared to what I've seen on Toddlers & Tiaras--public admittance notwithstanding). Also, it was pretty well known that John Ramsey was very affluent even without a bonus, so I don't know that a flippant mention of the exact bonus amount would set someone off concocting a plan. I'm not shooting down your thoughts or anything, just trying to think of how that would go down; I feel like even if Patsy was a braggart, would she say the exact amount as opposed to "over $100,000" or rounding up to $120,000?
QuoteTotal psychopath and another thing that points away from the parents.
Yeah. And this would be very strange for someone's--either John's or Patsy's--first violent offense (not to say that it unequivocally is or isn't one, but that we have no record of similar prior behavior on their parts).
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Oh, Yokosmom, I think we're soulmates! I was thinking about all of that stuff last night!
QuoteI just can't figure out if it was an intruder. To break into the house, find their way around, grab things to be used to duck tape, go get the girl duck tape and kill her either in her room or the room she was found, then write out a really long ransom note. Wouldn't that take a long time to do all of that? And while there were still people in the house?
Someone could have entered long before the Ramseys returned home. And if that someone were a person that knew the family, it would not be too difficult to round up supplies. And don't forget that weird Christmas tour of the house too--lots of friends, plus acquaintances and near strangers traipsing through. Who knows if they showed off that fancy-pants wine cellar, but maybe mentioned it?
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You can see how out of the way the wine cellar is (and how huge the whole thing is).
Haha, I love how they call that dingy room a wine cellar! Also, thanks--along with stomach contents I have a weird preoccupation with floor plans. Makes my BF crazy because I get distracted during movies (Paranormal Activity 3, WTF was up with that house?!). Also, these Ramseys had two laundry rooms?!
QuoteHow else do you explain the pineapple? Either the Ramsey's were lying about what happened that night when they got home or someone JonBenet knew and or trusted opened some pineapple for her to eat and she ate it. I'm not exactly sure how stun guns work but if she was stunned in her room when did she eat the pineapple? How do you explain the fingernail marks on her kneck (the theory is that she was alive when she was strangled and tried to save her own life by clawing at the noose around her neck. If she was stunned would she be conscious enough to do that?
Stun guns' effectiveness/damage to a person depends on that person's size and the amount of time the...stunning probes (?)...are applied. I think we could reasonably assert that JonBenét would be at least close to unconsciousness from even a one-second zap, I guess, but maybe not down for the count--otherwise why the duct tape? Of course, I'm speculating here, considering the up-in-the-airness about the stun gun or the chronology of events. And the pineapple was supposedly already sitting out in a bowl on a counter or table (who does that?!); no need for someone to open anything prepare it for her.
Also, there's the whole deal with the blanket covering her. Often, bodies are concealed in this way not to hide them (because, blanket or not, she was still right in the middle of the floor) but as a respect/love/protection kind of thing, indicating that the killer likely cared for her in some regard.
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If it was an intruder, I don't believe it was a random stranger.
I am with you here, to the extent that I find it very plausible that (a) it was someone the Ramseys knew, though I don't currently believe they in any way conspired to cover it up, or (b) it was someone who knew the Ramseys but not necessarily the other way around.
QuoteAlso, how did no one hear this happen? I guess I'm just a light sleeper and wake up to any sound when my kids are in the house. My house is also small.
That's where the stun gun theory comes in, I guess--that it was used on her before taking her from her bedroom. Once you get into that kooky-ass basement room (which, IIRC, was off of a couple of other minor basement rooms), no one would likely hear anything. It seems like that house had a seriously labyrinthine layout, man--which supports the theory that it was someone who knew the Ramseys and their home.
Quote"those hippie arachnids" A+
Haha! I rarely read recaps anymore, but I was hoping you'd be doing this one!
Quotethis is information I feel like I already had, and chasing down that lead is what I want to see onscreen
YES! This is why I wanted you to do it! This is exactly why I get pissed off at various (and sensationalistic) true-crime TV shows--not enough investigation procedure detailed for me!
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The insistence that a cobweb proved nobody could have entered through the grate is also ridiculous - spiders can spin those suckers in no time.
I know! While I am not in Boulder and have no idea what those hippie arachnids get up to there, I regularly (and somewhat guiltily) clean the cobwebs from my balcony and they're always back within a day or two. Between that and the grate, it's like the cops thought that just because they said it out loud, people would blindly believe it. Come on--the first time I saw that grate and the window, it was obvious to me that an adult could easily get through them both! So that reporter in the footage with her "you'd have to be a contortionist" business can shut up too.
The other thing that has always pissed me off was the cops' sometimes attitude of "bear with us, we don't get a lot of homicide here" juxtaposed with bristling at the suggestion of FBI assistance. Which is it--you've got it covered or you're a bit green (the latter of which is nothing to be ashamed of)?
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this here is what I wanted to say. Ya'll have phones. If you're so beat about not seeing your cousin or her husband, go over there, it's a 5 minute car ride.
Other than this (it's about 20, haha!), I am with you on your post! I feel like there is craziness all around these people where no craziness needs to be! Rosie, chill!
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That and why would they put the notepad away in plain sight while getting rid of paintbrush pieces, duct tape, and a stun gun (not that police actually believed there to be a stun gun in the first place)? Although...I guess it could be plausible that an inexperienced killer would only think to ditch the actual implements of the murder as opposed to a run-of-the-mill legal pad that never touched the victim.
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unless they were rifling through the Ramsey's checkbook, how would they have known what John was getting for a yearly bonus?
YES! This is one of those "points right at the Ramseys" examples, among all the ones that do the opposite! Seriously, WTF?! I remember that there was a disgruntled-employee theory at a time too.
I was also surprised that they didn't detail more of that completely bizarro ransom note...though that has been done a million times over and wouldn't have been anything new.-
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I've wondered about this before, and almost asked about it in the random chat thread...but didn't know how to bring it up without possibly offending people from the Garden State, or Italian-Americans.
Haha, I'm trying to figure out what wording would be used that could offend those of us from Jersey! Surely Joe's behavior isn't something that anyone would mistakenly attribute to an entire state with an extremely varied populace. For example, I'm all of 10 minutes from these HWs (and also 10 minutes in the other direction from a super-rural area) and I am often surprised when I see people out in restaurants or bars dressed/acting like them (same thing goes for those Jersey Shore people; yeah, we have those types roaming about...but lots of us laugh at that "style").
ETA: My BF delivered something to Teresa's the other day. He was petting the dog, who is no longer pink.-
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Avocados: infuriatingly delicious.
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Right! And from the opposite perspective, even if someone were to murder his or her own child, it is entirely possible that the person would indeed display "normal" grieving behavior that isn't being faked...meaning that a nut who kills his or her own kid can also be legitimately distraught that said kid is deceased. Meaning that judging the emotional output of someone who just lost a child is probably a dead end.
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Talk to me about the pineapple! I remember the pineapple but why is that a smoking gun? Who cares about pineapple in the stomach unless it creates a timeline? Do tell and enlighten!
Haha, I just actually added (very little) pineapple info to my comment above! Something about the digestion rate of pineapple can be very telling in a timeline (I also love reading about forensics stuff and, for some reason, stomach contents have always been fascinating to me. Oh my god, what a nerd).
The thing is though, while once I was skeptical of everything John or Patsy ever said*, I now think that it's not so weird for busy parents on Christmas to have no idea if their kid ate a few bites of pineapple. It's like, say, brushing your teeth--or in this case, your kids brushing theirs: you probably know you/they did it 2-3 times every day but it becomes so blandly habitual, and thus not memorable in particular instances, that if a cop asked you to describe what time and how you/they did it on a specific day, you probably couldn't say enough about it to exonerate you (sorry if that made no sense!).
* I think that was because all I had to read back then was generally from the cops' perspective. I remember being horrified that they tainted their own crime scene but also wanting to believe what trained law enforcement officers were reporting (maybe because my grandpa♥ was a cop). I am far more discerning now, partially thanks to the West Memphis Three case.-
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Have they ever really explained the pineapple in her stomach? Because I can stretch my belief to it being an intruder, as some of the physical evidence leans that way, but I simply can't picture said intruder fixing the girl a bowl of pineapple.
It's just as well that this crime didn't take place in Kenda's town. He would have had a breakdown over it.
Yeah, I was waiting for the pineapple! It was mentioned in one of the "never before seen" documents though (yes, I paused and read them, haha!). There was also no mention of some of the big names in crime-solving and forensics weighing in.
I believe that the pineapple was said to have been out on the table in a bowl. I also feel like I recall reading that Patsy said that no one gave JonBenét any pineapple that night, but then later (or vice versa) saying otherwise. I am not sure where I read these things--I've been reading about this case for 20 years!--so either or both assertions could be something the cops claimed incorrectly.
I still can never wrap my mind around the layout of that house! From the street view, it looks only about average sized to me.
ETA: I had forgotten that Lou Smit was from Colorado Springs, like Joe Kenda!http://crimefeed.com/2016/09/24701/
QuoteJoe Kenda: “I had just retired from the CSPD when this crime occurred in Boulder, Colorado. I was approached and consulted with well after the event by the Boulder Police Department, so I am quite familiar with facts not known to the public. In my opinion, gross deficiencies occurred during the initial stages of this investigation by the Boulder Police Department. These deficiencies were so great they produced fatal errors and preclude any possibility of this matter ever being presented in court. Murder cases are like a spinning top on a table: One should admire it first and study it carefully before proceeding. Touch it too soon, and it goes off the table. And you never get it back. That little girl remains in her grave, and no one will pay for it.”
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The parents know what happened or were involved in some way. Too many coincidences.
I used to staunchly feel like this but I haven't for years now--too many things pointing completely the away from them too. Seems like almost nothing in here is right in the middle; I'm not sure I even know how to feel anymore. But it doesn't matter; the crime isn't solved (and maybe not even solvable) because of police incompetence and tunnel vision.
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Put the bananas in sandwich bags and keep them in the freezer.
Or do the same to the BF, ahahahhahaaaaaa!
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Yup to everything you said about the fucking bananas (I too like them greenish, and then use the older ones in smoothies)! And a big ol' peeve goes out to my BF, who always says he wants bananas, which I buy...which he then doesn't eat...which forces me to have to do the smoothie thing after the greenness is gone!
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The Boulder police's bellyaching over that window grate makes me nuts every time I see it rehashed.
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The Killing Of JonBenet: The Truth Uncovered (A&E)
in Specials, TV Movies & Other One-Offs
A friend suggested that it's maybe due to the popularity of the O.J. doc and the miniseries--wait, is the JonBenét miniseries from the same producers of the O.J. one (named "American Crime," I think, followed by a colon, then the topic)?