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Solace247

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  1. The fact that they had to put voiceover dialogue bits in the preceding scenes to the episode where Daenerys burns KL and have Tyrion dialogue about the character’s journey to Jon (the audience) in the finale tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about this arc. It was unearned as was most of the season.
  2. Solace247

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    That’s fine if you think it makes sense—it’s there’s in bullet point form, but then, so was Jonerys baby. To me, bullet points aren’t television they’re PowerPoint presentations. The contrivances of season 7 & 8: practically ever Tyrion shitfest that deprived Danaerys of her forces; miracle fleets and nerfed Highgarden soldiers to keep Cersei around; Dany respawning major forces an episode later; easily dispatching Cersei’s forces—it’s all so ridiculous that it only lends incredulity to the Danaerys heel turn. I’m going in to this finale feeling absolutely nothing for any of the characters. In fact, I actively despise practically all of them (thanks to their stupidity, heavy suspicion, or omniscience as the plot requires) ,save for Davos, who I’m merely indifferent to. That’s the power of television, I guess.
  3. Solace247

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    That’s precisely the problem but I’m coming at it from a slight angle. They had to hit MAD DANY by ep. 5 of a 6 episode season (I like to think that this was either lack of planning or wanting to save the reveal to the last minute—which is cheap). Every character had to service that narrative because Dany was nowhere near that person at the end of season 7. So now, everyone apparently has foreknowledge that Dany’s losing it by ep. 5 and they are written as hollow versions of themselves or else practically omniscient because there’s apparently no time to build it up organically. It’s all MECHANICAL.
  4. So, watching the finale with Emilia’s gonna be pretty awkward, eh? I’d hate to be in that position, pretending to appreciate one iota of what I’m seeing onscreen. Compliments on the performances I guess.
  5. Solace247

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    To be fair, she never really had a good spymaster ever. Varys was useless past Dorne. Her advisors have only existed to ensure Cersei was around for season 8 to mug for the camera.
  6. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    This is precisely why a shortened season 7 and 8 was a ridiculous notion. Where we left off in season 7 was completely replaced by side-eying Danaerys (insert ominous music here), muting Jon ( he has nothing to say to anyone, apparently) and carrying over Sansa and Arya's bizarre characterization from last season with the added anvil that Sansa is super smart now since she apparently got the script for episode 5 early. None of the conversations onscreen were designed to flesh out the familial relationship in light of the legitimacy claim or vice versa. Nor did anyone address Dany needing to earn the Northerner support—accept that she helped prevent the end of the world, but whatever. None of the advisors advised Dany in any way—they merely talked amongst themselves about marriage whilst failing to mention to the parties involved—even to just be shot down? Come on. But we’re supposed to believe they’re afraid because of a shitty post war dinner? Ridiculous. This season placed heavy emphasis on two mediocre battle episodes with very little dialogue to the detriment of nearly EVERY major character. The only characters allowed to act like themselves were the minor ones who have little dialogue to begin with, but were at least allowed to be consistent. This may have always been heading this way, but they had to HEAVILY pivot all the characters to make it happen—including Danaerys, from the beginning of this season. I never really liked most of season 7 because it came across as heavily contrived, but in light of season 8, I think they majorly bungled telling this story well. The stupidity and lack of conversations between all the characters has left me feeling nothing for any of them. Hell, even Davos has had one conversation this season—bringing up the most obvious attempt at a solution that isn’t even attempted. I don’t believe anything that we’ve been shown this season, because NO ONE is allowed to act smartly. NOT ONE PERSON.
  7. Solace247

    Season 8: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

    Good writing would have had it be about different things for both of them. Dany was robbed of the feeling of having family and not being alone; Jon was robbed of exploring his roots and having a fully-formed identity. The Wedge(tm) would have worked better had it encompassed all of this in addition to the legitimacy claim.
  8. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Convenient that the show never had an outright conversation about it with the two people callable of making the decision. The show is clearly being ‘crafted’, but not deftly, that’s for sure.
  9. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    That show taught me to no longer off buy season box sets until the end is in the bag. I’m pretty sure I still have season “2.5” kicking around somewhere. I totally am with you on both shows. When you think about rewatching them because you’ve recently thought of some neat aspect, but then you re-center and remember it’s not worth it. Welcome GOT.
  10. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    If the show had Jon acknowledge that his honour often causes other’s lives, I could stomach his shit this late in the game. However, he’s that annoying, slumped-shouldered, ‘mine is the weight of the world’ tool that conveniently avoids coming face to face with the repercussions of his “honour” (at least in a self-aware way). Just to be clear, I’m not laying the destruction of KL at his feet.
  11. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    We all know that if the writing was half-way honest and consistent-Arya would have been all about the dragon queen and her dragons, but alas, we write from the ending backwards in these latter seasons. Don’t you all know?—Sansa saw it all coming. Smh.
  12. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Whether it was happening or not, here’s why it was unsatisfying: as soon as season 8 arrived you could see the manufacturing of it—from the very first. The Stark sisters, written much like they were the season before (with hard-lines that are over-the-top), the Northern Lords doing their usual thing, Jon being absolutely neutered in his discussions with both his sisters and with Danaerys, Danaerys hard-lining it (no realistic reaction to a relative—bullshit). These things, you could hand-wave as somewhat resembling logical reactions, in the beginning, if you enjoy heavy-lifting. After the Long Night(tm)? Those reactions were so manufactured they were spitting grease. This season has made me hate the Starks—if they’re not sitting in wheelchairs being useless during battles, they’re either bitchy or impotent in every discussion. Honestly, Dany can blow up the whole of Westeros for all I care. If the narrative isn’t gonna bother with nuance, why the hell should I question the morality of the characters? Valar Morghulis and Dracarys away!
  13. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    7 more episodes.
  14. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    I honestly don’t know what everyone is freaking out about. Clearly, next episode will show that everyone has safely evacuated King’s landing. In fact, I have it on good authority that KL has actually experienced a population increase over the course of 24 hours.
  15. Solace247

    S08.E05: The Bells

    Can we really expect to get any truthful insight or honesty? Marketing is king.
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