Celia Rubenstein

Fixed that for ya!

I am hoping that not only is this story true, but that the "film" made used little people performers and is going to be titled something that capitalizes on the name of the show, like "Little People, Big ________" (you fill in the blank). I want to see Matt's head explode!

I am just stunned by this news and barely know what to say. The pain Garrison must have been experiencing to do such an act of violence to himself in order to escape it. The pain each and every member of that family must be going through... and will continue to go through for the rest of their lives. And Gabe. Poor Gabe. I think donating to an animal rescue organization in Garrison's memory is a wonderful idea. His love for his pets was so endearing and is what I will always remember him for. But seriously dammit all ... "remember" really? I don't want to be "remembering" this guy, he should be here. He was 25. People loved him. What happened? I guess the same thing that claims so many young lives. Depression. Stress. Unbearable anxiety? I don't know. All I know is Garrison is gone and I hope they take the gun he apparently used to end his precious existence with and throw it in the deepest water they can find. And I hope they can heal. I truly hope they can heal. As much as is possible, I hope they can heal. Especially Gabe. Poor, poor Gabe.

You silly people, where did you get the idea that birthdays are celebrated to honor the person who was born? It's supposed to be about the person who gave birth! That's why they call it a birth day and not born day, duh! Jill deserves to pay tribute to herself 13 times a year because she is a SEVERELY awesome baby pumper-outer! Don't listen to the haters, Jill. You go right on making it all about yourself, girl! Just like you always do!

Looks like he built his house within pissing distance of the barn. When he has all that land, why?

Robyn's scent: opens with top notes of insincerity and manipulation, followed by solid middle notes of dishonesty and desperation, anchored by a base of selfishness and greed. It stinks!

I listened to the show last night as I was wrapping gifts, but after reading here about Robyn's visible discomfort I'm going to have to sit down and actually watch it. I enjoy seeing her be miserable. Kody, too! They made their own tacky, gaudy, bordello-esque bed and now they get to lie in it. Just the two of them, in monogamy hell. And I am here for their much-deserved suffering. Keep it coming, TLC!

Agreed. And while I would like to see Ari spared the experience of having her life televised further, it sure would be interesting to watch it happen. Kody really hasn't had the experience of living every single day in a house with a kid as they age out of the "tender" stage where they think Daddy hung the moon and seeing that kid turn into a teen with opinions and a will of their own. He's been a Dad who pops in like a guest then takes off when he's had enough. But he's a full time parent now and it's not gonna work like that any more. Ari is gonna make Kody pay, lol

Audrey lost me when they were whining about how expensive things were where they lived, then asked people to Venmo them money so they could go out for coffee. I'm not here for that level of ridiculousness, thank you very much. I have never cared much for Leon because I found them to be a humorless, judgmental, self-absorbed, spoiled brat on the show as a kid - a condition that age has apparently, and quite sadly, failed to remedy. I'm dead now.

Janelle may have started out as simply an overly-trusting plural family cash cow, I agree. And yes, she seems to finally see how many mistakes she made. Finally! I just wish her insight had come from an intelligent realization of where she went wrong and not from the hurt resuting from being ignored by Kody. But I guess ten months of being ghosted will do that to even the most stubborn person unless your name is Meri Brown. Sadly, I fear Janelle might still be Kody's stooge if he had only thrown her a crumb somewhere in those ten months. I wonder, if he had made the slightest effort to set up even one counseling session, would she still be lusting after his pecs and abs? lol Would I say she was actually dickmatized and that explains her behavior? Possibly. She seemed willing to languish and wither on the vine much the same way Meri did. I'm just glad she finally recognized Kody was done with her, too, and she didn't waste years like Meri. Maybe now that she has nothing to lose, she will find the guts to drag Kody to court and get back some of her money that he and his soul mate spent on ugly shirts and baubles. Before they blow what's left on perms, facelifts and injectibles!

Can anybody here name one single financial decision that Janelle has made that was not utterly foolish? - Forking over her inheritance to buy that house in Utah for everyone (not to mention plowing all her salary into supporting someone who contributed nothing *cough* Robyn *cough* so she could have her own house) - Cashing in her retirement, which probably went to pay off Robyn's Victoria's Secret bill and create her pathetic vanity business -Agreeing to buy that shitty land in Flagstaff thinking they were actually going to spend millions building houses on it ... - Giving Kody and Robyn most of the proceeds from the sale of her Las Vegas house to put toward buying Robin a house in Flagstaff - Not buying her own house in Flagstaff, instead renting two (?) different houses and paying as much in rent as a mortgage would have cost, missing out on building equity - Buying that ridiculous camper ... storing that ridiculous camper ... refusing to part with that ridiculous camper - Not to mention a ton of stupid little things like bothering to pay thousands of dollars to buy earn a certificate saying she is a "Life Coach" ... every penny of that was WAAAASTED! - I have no proof, but I would be absolutely stunned if she has made Kody fork over any money to support Savannah ... she is just too much of a doormat to force the issue imo. I know Kody and Robyn are selfish scam artists who have played her for a fool, but at some point Janelle is also at fault for the fact that she has nothing. I'm waiting for her to finally grow a brain and a spine and DO SOMETHING about it!

In keeping with the new (and annoying AF) theme of naming she shows using idoms, I'd suggest "been there, done that," "wash, rinse, repeat," "beating a dead horse," and "same shit, different day." When I see a picture of Meri and Kody's wedding appear onscreen, I can't hit fast forward fast enough!

Yeah, he needs 3 wives ... sometimes I think that is the only reason they care about the other wives actually divorcing him. It messes up their planet, lol They couldn't care less about the actual people involved or their happiness or quality of life (or afterlife!). They just have a quota to fill.

I was half laughing and half pissed listening to Janelle talk about how *if only* sister wives could all have legal marriages with one man, it would solve all the problems they face. I can't believe how dumb she is after everything she's been through. She is in her 50's, for crying out loud. But she has no understanding of the law. What is more shocking is she seems to still have no understanding of the psychology of plural marriage. She thinks it is possible to have a guy married to more than one woman, and the women would each be entitled to 50% of their husbands estate. How exactly would that math work when there are five wives? Would their percentage of his estate be apportioned depending upon how many wives he has? That would mean everytime the guy takes a wife, your interest in his estate would shrink. It would be an incentive for a man to take wife after wife, and for wives to be the first to divorce. That is arguable going to be more destuctive to the families involved than the way it works now, not to mention creating a total nightmare for the court system. And FYI, there is already something called child support, Janelle. You just have to have the guts to go after it (I wonder if Kody has provided any financial support for Savanah in the last few years). And if she thinks that having a legal marriage means a woman can't be taken advantage of by her husband during a divorce, she is sadly mistaken. Women (and men) with legal marriages get screwed in divorce settlements all the time. That piece of paper is no guarantee of fairness. I think the real solution to that issue is to not be a complete fool the way Janelle was and pour things like your salary, inheritance, and retirement into a bank account you have no control over. What is even more dumber-er is that Janelle thinks the threat of a wife leaving and cleaning him out would make a husband toe the line. No, what it would do is end plural marriage because men would never sign up if those were the terms. Which would not be a bad thing, actually!

I hope they remember the "fact" that (according to their belief system) maintaining that eternal connection is not up to them. It is totally up to Kody whether or not he "calls them through the veil" and accepts them as eternal wives on his little planet. He does not have to if he does not want to ... If I were Meri, I would be thinking a guy who has ignored/avoided me and treated me like crap for over a decade and made it CLEAR he doesn't want to be anywhere near me is not going to be summoning me to spend eternity with him. "Just soak in that," Meri! Janelle is (at least at the time of taping) in a slightly better position because Kody is still halfway pretending he actually wants to be with her. Or was that ten months ago and she hasn't seen him since, and she is basically getting the Meri treatment from Kody, too, now? I can't keep it straight. Either way, he's just not that into you, Janelle, and if you think he's gonna be holding the veil open for you one day, you might want to re-evaluate things and consider finding another route to the afterlife.

Thanks for explaining. I should have realized. Now that I think about it, why would a FEMALE be in a "careers and college" class at Jill's church? There mere thought!

Why not start the weekend off by running a comb through your hair?

They met in "college and career" class .... too bad that in the 30+ years since then, neither one of them has ever experienced either.

I was just using "cut and paste" to describe the end product, just plastering something on top of something else, lol It was actually a really nice drawing. The artist was quite talented. I wonder what he thought of what Robyn asked him to do ... "here is a picture of my husband with his kids ... can you draw it over, putting my children on his lap instead of them? Here is a picture of my kids with their dad. Use this as a reference!" I''m sure it cost a pretty penny, too!

I really hope I don't sound like a Robyn defender because regardless of why she acts the way she does, the upshot is she sucks as a sister wife and anyone who is stuck with her has my sympathy. But in the interest of furthering the discussion (and because it's cold and rainy here and I don't feel like doing yard work), let's discuss! Without knowing more about the dress shopping, it is hard for me to be sure about the whole thing ... I wonder, whose idea was it for her to try on dresses for Kody, hers or his? It matters because if it was Kody's idea to dress shop with her I would not be surprised she agreed to do it and then opted to conceal the truth to protect him. She has to please him, so she is gonna be trying on some dresses (no doubt loving the attention). And she is not going to tell anyone because she has to protect him. If it was her idea to shop with Kody, not telling the other wives about it would at least be a lie by omission, but in fairness - when people realize they have done something they ought not to have done and the only harm that would result would be if others found out, a common response is to just pretend it didn't happen. She must have wanted to choke Kody when he dropped his little "bomb" just for giggles. Either way, I see the dress thing as more evidence of Robyn's insensitivity and desperate need to please Kody and bask in the glow of his attention, all while catering to his ego. About the physical intimacy before marriage, I am not going to make a big deal about that. Mainly because I don't believe that is really the way they live - I think it's just talk designed to sanitize the fact that they all share a dick ... but not until married!!! Right, lol They can miss me with that. And this brings to mind the whole thing about how Kody and Janelle TOTALLY broke the rules by starting a relationship behind Meri's back. Dating and who knows what else ... If what Robyn did was bad, what Janelle did was worse (imo). I can also see both Robyn and Janelle poo-pooing the idea of saving up intimacy for marriage since both had been married before and were not dippy little virgin princesses like Christine (who seemed to be the only one who really cared about the wedding dress shopping, too, IIRC). The marriage license swap I have no explanation for ... I've never felt like I understood the real timeline or bought the supposed reason for it. Robyn certainly did benefit from it, I won't deny that. But I don't see her as smart enough to execute a complicated scheme that way. She is just too obtuse - things I used to believe were manipulations on her part now seem more like a constant stream of clueless behavior. The cut and pasting of her kids into that picture is a perfect example. It is so unbelievably tone deaf ... I don't think anyone capable of the kind of subtle, treacherous schemes Robin is accused of would be so transparently DUMB.

I've been thinking about Robyn way too much lately - specifically her saying she wants to have the close, fun relationship with Meri that Meri and Jen have, but seeing that in the 13+ years this show has been on the air, Robyn has done ZERO to create that relationship with Meri, or really any relationship with anyone besides Kody. I have come to the conclusion that Robyn is not lying or being intentionally selfish and manipulative as much as she just has a very poor emotional intelligence (EQ). This is why she is so baffled by how other people feel or why they feel that way. She just doesn't get it and her whining about not understanding why the family is fallling apart is 100% genuine. To quote Jennifer Anniston, she is "missing a sensitivity chip." It would explain why she is (in my opinion) genuinely surprised to learn (after like 10 years) that there was all this unhappiness and discord in the family. I don't think she is pretending to feel tricked ... I think this stuff just didn't register in her head the way it might have to someone else. It also explains why she goes on and on about wanting these relationships, yet she has done nothing to actually invest in others or try to create real relationships. As if just saying you want this close bond is going to make it exist, and when other people don't feel close to her or treat her the way she expects, she's all confused. It's how she could sit on Christine's porch and seriously ask her if she wanted to try to repair their relationship when they have had no relationship at all, ever. I believe the only reason she gets along so well with Kody is because she has such a dependent personality, which is like nectar for a narcissistic partner - she is so selfless, always putting him first, defending him against everyone and everything, applauding every time he farts. And in turn she gets anything she wants from him because she is so "loyal." Approval, attention, time, material goods. A nanny. They reinforce each other other's worst personalty traits. I don't doubt that Robyn controls Kody more than he realizes, but I don't think it is part of a calulated scheme on her part. I think she has just lucked into finding a narcissist who is so universally disliked, he has become just as dependent on her for approval and adoration as she is on him for support, and therefore he is easy to control. I'm not excusing anything Robyn has done or caused, just offering up my view on why things happened the way they have. In my opinion the worst thing she has done is stall the development of her most of children to keep them at the daddy-is-a-hero stage in order to prolong their capacity to satisfy Kody's need to be worshipped. But that will eventually end ... it will be interesting to see if Robyn will be willing/able to meet Kody's vast emotional needs all by herself, or if she will find another chump who will jump in the rescue her from her life the way Kody did.

No beating, just a gentle reminder that the story wasn't that Tori merely left Murphy tied outside for a while ... What apparently happened is Tori found Murphy covered in chicken shit, tied him to a tree off in the distance with no food or water available, intending to leave him there overnight in hopes that the groomer would be able to fit him in the next day. Why could she not do something to clean Murphy up herself so that the poor baby would not have to sit outside all alone in the damp, chilly yard all night? Maybe he is too big to fit in the tub and get a real bath but she was obviously able to do SOMETHING because she did end up bringing him inside (but only after people tore into her, tellingly). Why was that not her first response? If she could manage it later why didn't she just do that instead of tying Murphy up outside alone and unsheltered in the wet chilly weather while still covered in filth? She had time to take a picture and post it with one of her tone-deaf comments that she thinks people will find cute (which they rarely do). She clearly had the time and the means to do something for Murphy, but simple chose not to do it until shamed into it. What REALLY bothers me is that she was going to leave Murphy out there overnight, helplessly tied to a tree, in an area known to have coyotes roaming! He was completely defenseless - not even able to run away should he be attacked. Sorry, but I think Tori Roloff is a lazy, dumb twunt who isn't fit to take care of a dog. And right now I'm not sure she (or Zach) are fit parents for their medically needy children, either! I pity the four creatures who have to depend on them for their survival ...

I agree square storage things make better use of space ... but unless I missed something, Meri was talking about not wanting a round light fixture when she was complaining about circles. They showed her a page full of what looked like exterior light fixtures and she was all bent out of shape about the suggestion of what I would refer to as a "hanging barn light" ... she preferred a lantern shaped light. Which is fine, but I dont't understand why she had to go off about all things circular. Just say you like the other light better! She was just being precious, I think. And no way does she have circle phobia, officially knows as "trypophobia." Because I DO!!!! And it is clusters of circles that are disturbing, not just one round light fixture. If one circle was all it took to make me cringe and gag, I'd never be able to leave the house!

I agree with the "she can't give it away" part of what you said!

Same. I didn't think much of Christine's outfit when I first saw it. It just didn't flatter her in my opinion and I did not understand the chunky, clunky undergarment choice at all. But now that I understand it is a cover up she is wearing over a swimsuit skirt set while she is on a cruise, I think its just fine. I am sure Christine feels much better knowing that I am okay with her outfit, llol