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  1. Yes, but according to Heidi Thomas (the writer), there had to be last-minute re-writes to the show when Miranda Hart, who had originally announced her return to the show, finally decided it wouldn't fit into her schedule. Here's a news article that mentions the re-writes. This is entirely conjecture on my part, but I've wondered if some of the plots that were initially supposed to be given to Chummy were given to Phyllis in the re-writes. This would include the role of leading the Cubs, which would logically have gone back to Chummy when Patsy left if Chummy was indeed returning. But with Chummy not returning, someone else had to be given that role, and that turned out to be Phyllis.
  2. In terms of stories for Barbara, I think it's worth noting that Charlotte Ritchie is going to be in a West End play that runs for a lot of the filming period. It's not a touring play (which is what made Helen George miss two episodes of season six), so she should have time in the days to film, but I wouldn't be surprised if she gets less screen time for a while. Also, Charlotte Ritchie has been one of the most active cast members in terms of filming other projects while also filming CtM. She was in three regular shows until recently. I think her busy schedule might have something to do with why Barbara hasn't had as prominent a role in season 6. As for the Turners, I personally love them and would watch a spin-off show that was just about them. I didn't think they got too much screen time, but as I just wrote, I'm biased. It is an ensemble show, though, and I have thought that the size of the cast may have made it difficult to feature everyone more equally. Now that four cast members are leaving and only one appears to be joining, maybe there will be more room for more characters' stories (although Ben Caplan has been basically a minor character since Chummy left so I don't know if his absence will make a whole lot of difference). I actually thought Phyllis (who I also love) got the most screen time in season 6 and sometimes I felt like I was watching the Phyllis Crane Show. I think some of that had to do with re-writing because of Miranda Hart's backing out at the last minute. I think some of the stories that were originally planned for Chummy were given to Phyllis instead (noting that Phyllis took over the Cubs, which had been Chummy's role when she was on the show).
  3. The PBS website has a great article here, by the show's midwifery adviser, Terri Coates, about how they film births on the show, and specifically about Shelagh's labor and delivery in this episode.
  4. You can't make an actor stay if they don't want to. This show has been running for six seasons, which is a long run for a UK show. There are still 6 original cast members returning for series 7, and two of them (Jenny Agutter and Laura Main) have been in every episode of seasons 1-6. Two others (Judy Parfitt and Stephen McGann) have only missed one episode. Helen George had also not missed any episodes until season six (because she was in a touring play during the first part of filming). There are also three cast members (Victoria Yeates, Charlotte Ritchie, and Linda Bassett) who joined the show later, but haven't missed any episodes since joining. Yes, a few people have left, but I think the show has done a good job of introducing new characters who are interesting. The show films from April or May until late October/early November every year. That's a long time commitment. Some performers have been able to film other things concurrently, but I would imagine it's difficult. There's also Vanessa Redgrave, who does the voiceovers, who has been on the show since the beginning, but I think scheduling is different for her because I would imagine she records the voiceovers in one or two sessions. She doesn't have to be available for the whole filming period.
  5. The show's writers consulted a leading anti-FGM activist and FGM survivor, Nimco Ali, when writing this episode. Whether you think the show succeeded in its goal or not, the intention was absolutely not to present the practice as acceptable, but to place it in the context of the times. Here are some articles: this one (from the Telegraph in the UK and published just before this episode aired there) is written by Nimco Ali. This one is more recent, published before the PBS airing of the episode, and it mentions Nimco Ali as well.
  6. She didn't specifically speak of being in a war that I can remember (although she did talk about "men yelling" in episode 2), and the scene in the pub was uncut--I have the UK DVDs. I try not to post too much info on here about that because I don't want to accidentally give away spoilers. As of episode 4, what's known about Valerie as far as I can remember is that a) she was a nurse in the Queen Alexandra's Army Corp (which is a real unit). B) She left the army and was working in her aunt's pub. C) Sister Julienne offered her the job but she had to apply in writing. From this information, I would assume that if she had any midwifery training/certification, she would mention that when she wrote to apply for the job. Also, for the person who asked about Trixie's being out of breath, there was a small subplot about Trixie's being out of shape because she didn't keep up her exercise routine when she was in South Africa. There was another scene at the Keep Fit class and a few scenes at Nonnatus that were cut from the PBS airing. The cuts are frustrating because although they try to keep relevant scenes for the most important episode plots, what they often sacrifice are good character moments that add a lot to the overall tone of the show. For instance, in the thread for episode 1, I noticed a few people mentioning how bleak the episode seemed. Although that episode did have some bleak subject matter, the edits actually made it bleaker because they cut out most of the "comic relief" scenes from the original version. If you want to see the whole show, I highly recommend the DVDs. The US editions will be released in May and they are the complete, unedited show.
  7. One small clarification-the new nurse's name is Valerie, not Vera. Also, the show hasn't indicated at this point if she's a certified midwife or not. She said "I'm a nurse" when she was introducing herself to Shelagh in episode 2 because that was relevant. She didn't need to say if she was a midwife or not, because a midwife was not needed in that situation. Also, about the black veil--this has been referred to in previous episodes as the "prayer veil". It's what the sisters wear for chapel. They wear the white wimples most of the time, but the black veils are for when they have their prayer services, several times a day.
  8. I just checked my DVD, and her exact wording is actually "he's years older than her". Avril (the girl in that Christmas special) wouldn't have known how old they were specifically so she's probably just going by sight (he looks a lot older). Doctor Turner's Casebook (a companion book to the show written by Stephen McGann which focuses on the medical aspects about the show) has a foreword by Heidi Thomas (the show's main writer) that gives Patrick's birth year as 1909. So he would be 53 in 1962 (or possibly 52 during this episode depending on what month he was born). If Shelagh is 36 in July 1962 (the chariot race poster says it's July), then depending on what month she was born, her birth year is either 1925 or 1926. That makes a roughly 17 year age gap (give or take a few months) between the characters. Editing to add about this episode--I also did not think that Dot was being portrayed as a villain. It was difficult for everyone, but I did end up having a little more sympathy for Dot at the end of the episode.
  9. Trixie missed episodes because Helen George was in a touring play last summer during the first few months of filming. I have no idea about Bryony Hannah (Sister Mary Cynthia), but this show is generally extremely accommodating to its cast members when they request leaves of absence for other projects. As for Harriet Walter, I assume she was only hired for those three episodes. She was never listed in the opening credits of the show so that was a clue that she wasn't joining the cast permanently.
  10. News about Ben Caplan (who plays Peter Noakes) here. I don't know if this counts as a spoiler, but I'm tagging it just in case.
  11. I'm not sure where to post this and I don't know if it counts as a spoiler or not, but there is new info about Ben Caplan (Peter) and whether he and Miranda Hart will be returning for the next series. I will post it in the "Media" thread. And she was mentioned once by Peter last series. Barbara asked about her and he said she was doing well.
  12. If you want to see the uncut episodes, I recommend the DVDs. They are unedited. You can buy them, or many public libraries have them to borrow.
  13. I think the reason they don't talk a lot about Tim's mother on the show is essentially practical. Since this is an ensemble show and not focusing solely (or even primarily) on the Turners, it has to concentrate on the elements of their story that are most relevant to the show. Mrs. Turner #1 exists primarily as exposition, and since Mrs. Turner #2 (Shelagh) is a major character on the show, it's her relationship with Patrick and Timothy (and theirs with her) that is focused on when there is time for a family scene. Dwelling too much on the first wife/mom, or any exposition character would detract too much from the story of the show, which is primarily a medical show and not a family drama, and that story also has to move forward. Still, in terms of what we have been shown (supplemented by other official sources I'll mention), I don't think there's been an indication that they aren't allowed to talk about Tim's mother. They do talk about her at least once--in series 2 when then-Sister Bernadette is in the sanatorium and Patrick is shown sitting in the car looking sad. Tim, who is in the back seat, asks his dad if he's sad, mentioning his maternal grandmother's ("Granny Parker") saying that Patrick had acted something like that after the first Mrs. Turner died. Also, in the first Christmas special, Patrick did mention the time frame to Sister B. He said "it's been almost a year" and "it will be the first Christmas since his mother died", putting the first wife's death somewhere around January 1957 (before the start of season 1). The show also gave Tim and Shelagh a common bond even before her romantic relationship with Patrick began (they both lost their mothers when they were young children---Sister B mentions this in the same scene in the first Christmas special after Patrick talks about how long it's been since his wife died). I think that connection somewhat informed the relationship that grew between Timothy and Shelagh even before she officially became his stepmother. She was also shown to have a good rapport with children and it seemed that Tim was completely on board with her marrying his dad (he even wrote the proposal note). There were indications that she was having difficulties learning how to be a parental figure to him after the marriage, though especially in the first half of the episode where Tim gets his leg braces taken off, although they made great progress in that episode, and by the end of series 3 Tim was calling her "Mum". I'm fairly sure the first time he does that is in the last episode of series 3, and it does seem to be 100% voluntary. The show, and especially with the Turner family, seems to have been emphasizing the idea that family is about more than just biology. I think Tim sees Shelagh as his second mother--not diminishing the first (who he will always remember), but still Shelagh is his primary maternal figure now, and he loves her as such. She's the one who will be there as he grows up, and if and when he eventually has children of his own, the only grandmother they will know on his side will be Shelagh. I think step-families are different depending on the people involved and the circumstances. In the case of a widower with a young child marrying a woman with no children of her own, I think the relationship is inclined to be more traditionally parental than in the case where there was a divorce and the biological mother is still around and involved in the child's life, especially if the stepmother is inclined to love the child as her own, as Shelagh clearly is (and stated this in episode 7 of season 4) and the child fully accepts the step-parent (which has also been indicated on the show). The Turners also have Angela, who is adopted and not biologically related to either parent or Timothy, but they are her family. Patrick and Shelagh are the only parents she knows and Tim is her brother just as much as he would be if they were biologically related. I think the fact that this family is shown to be so happy and well-functioning and clearly loving even though they are not strictly speaking a "traditional" family is a major theme of their story on this show. They demonstrate that families are about love and choice as much as (or maybe even more than) about biological ties. It's not saying biology isn't important, but that it's not the only important thing. In terms of what was the accepted practice at the time for how children addressed step-parents, I'm not sure because I wasn't around, but looking at pop culture references (like the The Brady Bunch from the late 60s/early 70s, and The Sound of Music film from 1965) it did seem that children calling a loved step-parent "mom" or "dad" was not unusual, even when the child is a teenager when the parent remarries (Liesl in The Sound of Music calls Maria "Mother" after the marriage--editing to add I know this film is set in the 1930s even though it was made in the 60s). I personally have known people who called step-parents by their names and those who have called them "Mom" or "Dad". I think it varies depending on the dynamics of the relationship and what the child wants. As for Mrs. Turner #1 there is some backstory about her in the latest Call the Midwife companion book, Doctor Turner's Casebook, which was written by Stephen McGann (who plays Dr. Turner) and with a foreword by show creator (and McGann's real-life wife) Heidi Thomas. It's not a lot, and there's a lot more information about Shelagh (because she's much more relevant to the actual show), but it does say her name, how she died, and does indicate that Patrick and Tim did talk about her after she died. I don't think they talk about her on the show much because there isn't time (and also because like in real life, a family has to move forward. It's important to remember the past, but you can't live in it). She has been mentioned a few times, but only when it's been relevant to the current story--like when Tim found the picture of his mother. While that story wasn't given a lot of time, what I took from it was that Tim was conflicted about showing the picture to his parents because he didn't want to make it look like he didn't appreciate Shelagh, but by the end of the episode he'd been reminded even more that he has a loving second mother in Shelagh (that's the episode where he overheard her saying she loved him as much as she would if she'd given birth to him, which made him smile). He clearly wants to remember his first mother, though, so he gets to keep and cherish his memories of her, but he's also got a life in the present and the future with a family who loves him.
  14. The DVDs are the only uncut version sold in the US. The Netflix, iTunes, and Amazon streaming versions are all edited, and bizarrely, they are shorter than the PBS edited version. The DVDs are great, though. Great quality, unedited episodes, and most seasons (all but season 4) have "behind the scenes" bonus features.
  15. The Netflix episodes are edited as well. In fact,they're (inexplicably) slightly shorter than the PBS edits. If you want to see the whole show, I highly recommend getting the DVDs. They are unedited.
  16. I think the fact that other doctors are in the same predicament is part of what's keeping Patrick from completely losing it, but I think the biggest part of it is Shelagh. Looking back to last season, the episode where he had the misdiagnosis and was afraid he would have another breakdown, I see that as a major development in the Turners' relationship where he started to really listen to her and let her help him when he needed help. This series, they've been working together closely at the surgery, and have been in this thalidomide plot together, and now that the truth is out, he could easily have done what he did before, said he was fine and could handle it, but he doesn't do that anymore. He relies on Shelagh. She's right there with him. When he gets really upset in the scene in his office, she's there to help him calm down, and to hold his hand for the rest of the scene. In the scene where she gave him the news, they were reaching out to each other for support, in contrast to earlier in their marriage when he would deny problems and she would be nervous to approach him. There's none of that now, and they are both relying on each other, but it seems like she's able to be the strong one here. He's not losing it because he's got support, from his colleagues yes but most importantly from his wife (who is also his colleague). I like how this series has shown the two of them handling this together, all season.
  17. The US edition of the DVDs contains the uncut episodes. The Amazon comments can be confusing because they include the comments for the DVDs and for the streaming version together. The comments complaining about cuts are referring to the streaming episodes, which are edited, but the DVDs are not. They do sometimes have different songs than the BBC version in some scenes (if the songs have been replaced on PBS, those songs will be what's on the DVD). Scene-wise, though, the DVDs have the complete, uncut episodes. The US DVDs for season 5 will be released tomorrow (May 24th).
  18. Actually, Patrick did prescribe the Distaval for Ruby Cottingham (Nurse Crane read it in Ruby's file). It was before she was pregnant, for "anxiety leading to sleeplessness" (or something like that). I found it particularly sad that the one case he was directly linked to (meaning he was the one who actually prescribed the drug) was the situation in which the baby died. Actually, we don't know who prescribed the drug to Jeffrey Gallagher's mother, either (the boy born without thumbs). He was born in Poplar. They talk about him in a cut scene in episode 1. It could have been Patrick who prescribed that as well. There was a scene showing him starting smoking again. It was cut by PBS. It shows the Turners at the surgery, both looking anxious. Shelagh is on the phone trying to get someone to talk to her about the thalidomide, and Patrick is looking through files nervously, until Shelagh reminds him he doesn't know how the filing system works and offers to let him hold the phone for her. Instead, he sits down for a few seconds, then leaves the room for a few moments while Shelagh is still waiting on the phone, and then he comes back into the room with a cigarette and match. He sits down and lights the cigarette. Shelagh sees this and looks concerned, but opts not to say anything (probably figuring this isn't the time to remind him that he's quit. They have this big medical issue to deal with and if that's what he needs, she's going to let it go.)
  19. Yes, but in the episode, they were talking about how there weren't any guidelines yet because the pill hadn't been officially released. They didn't know at this point that it was going to be restricted. Sister J was OK with birth control for married couples. She said that in the conversation in Patrick's office. Her concern was that it would be made available to single women, which the Turners were advocating. Sister J seemed concerned that they weren't considering the moral implications (especially Shelagh, who in Sister J's eyes should know better), but the impression I had was that they were seeing it more as a way to prevent stigma for women who would have done it anyway. It wasn't "let's help start a sexual revolution!" It was more "we know the statistics. This happens and it's going to keep happening. We might as well help the women not get pregnant and risk being outcasts in society".
  20. It's entirely possible that Tom and Trixie could have had make out sessions like that. The show just didn't show them. The Tom/Barbara scene was shown because it was relevant to the episode's theme, which was basically sexual desire among unmarried couples and the temptations and consequences of sex outside of marriage before the Pill. As for Sister Julienne, she definitely seems to be struggling with change. I was surprised at her harsh comments toward Shelagh especially, since their friendship has been emphasized a lot on the show. I think Shelagh's taking her husband's side in this issue and then essentially deflecting discussion about it was another reminder of change. Sister J supported Shelagh's decision to leave the order, but now it seems like she's changed more than Sister J had expected. I don't think the Turners are really supporting an increase in casual sex--they seem to be more in the mindset that it's already happening and it causes a whole lot of trouble for women in that time period, so it's better to help them keep from getting pregnant rather than face the social stigma of being pregnant out of wedlock in 1961. For Sister J, though, this seems to be more change than she can deal with, at least for now.
  21. The US DVDs are unedited. The whole show is there. It's not the PBS version. On the cover they advertise that it's "The Complete Original UK Series". All the scenes are there (as part of the episodes as originally intended--not as a bonus feature). As for why PBS edits, it's because they have a time slot for the show, and they want to put all sorts of promos and "behind the scenes" clips into that time slot as well, even though those clips are on the website. The "Previously on Call the Midwife..." sequences are also unnecessary since they often show clips of plots that have no relevance to the current episode. The Christmas specials are not edited because they are roughly 75 minutes long, which means PBS can fit them into a 90 minute time slot and still have all their "extra" promo segments. I have no idea why the versions available to stream from Netflix, iTunes, etc. are also edited because there are no time slots, but they are. Only the DVDs are unedited. Last year, a few PBS stations did air the uncut version of the show (season 4), extending the time slot accordingly, But because not all stations did this and apparently some viewers complained, it seems that PBS's "solution" to this issue was to have all stations show only the cut version of season 5. I don't understand why they can't at least put the uncut version on their website. Still, there are the DVDs. If you want to see the whole, unedited show, you can buy or borrow the DVDs (a lot of libraries have seasons 1-4, apparently, and I'm assuming they'll have season 5 when it's released).
  22. This is an effect of the editing, I think. Yes it was a surprise, but there were more scenes setting up this story that were cut out, including scenes of the planning (Patsy, Shelagh and Timothy actually talking about the plan and Patsy giving Tim the key to the Cubs' supply room), showing Patrick's exhaustion (Nurse Crane ordering him to rest on the couch in the parlor at Nonnatus while he waited for the instruments from the autoclave), and then--perhaps most importantly--a scene with Shelagh, Patrick and Timothy in the supply room gathering supplies for the trip. In this scene, Shelagh expresses some nervousness about the trip (I got the impression the camping element was Tim's idea), and Patrick reassures her that they're doing the right thing and he wants to go on the trip. The real problem with the PBS editing, I've decided, is not as much which characters' scenes get cut out (all the characters have had scenes cut over the 5 seasons), but the fact that little character moments that make the show what it is are a major part of what gets cut, as well as scenes that may not seem as important but add clarity to later scenes. There was also a scene involving Patsy, Delia, Barbara, and Trixie that was cut where Trixie mentions her "art history" classes, basically setting up the theme that leads to Trixie's "confession" to Patsy and Delia at the end of the episode. Without the earlier scene, the later scene (while still great) loses some of its impact. Also, throughout the show little moments that just show the characters' friendships and personalities get cut. It's frustrating to watch when you've already seen the uncut version or if you've read spoilers and know about the scenes without having actually seen them. But even if you didn't know about the cuts, watching the uncut version later also makes a difference. I remember having a question about a plot point of a season 3 episode when I first watched it on Netflix (before I knew it was edited) and then later seeing the uncut version on DVD answered my question (one very small scene had been cut that explained the situation I had been confused about). Often, scenes get cut that may not seem absolutely necessary, but they shed light on later scenes in the episode, or the season. With this episode, since PBS insists on cutting scenes, it does make sense that they concentrated the cutting on the first half of the episode so that the weight of the Sister MC plot in the second half could be maintained, but I still think the show is better without the edits. The show wasn't written to be edited the way PBS does (it's not the writers or creative team who make the cuts), and every scene is important in a show like this. I wish they would extend the time slot and air the show in its entirety, or at least put the uncut episodes on their website if they insist on airing the cut version. I highly recommend getting the DVDs if you want to see this show as it was intended to be seen. It does make a difference. The US DVDs will be released on May 24th.
  23. Based on what I've read, thalidomide was most dangerous when taken very early in pregnancy. Apparently many women who took thalidomide later in pregnancy gave birth to unaffected babies. As for this story on the show (this is more a teaser than a spoiler but tagging it to be safe)
  24. There hasn't been a Sister Hildegarde on the show before. As far as I can remember, this episode is the first time Sister Hildegarde has been mentioned. Are you thinking of Sister Evangelina?
  25. No, they don't. Actually, the Netflix cut is even shorter than the PBS cut (52 minute running time per episode, compared to about 53 1/2 minutes for PBS and 58-59 minutes for the uncut version). And the versions from the streaming services (iTunes, Amazon, etc.) are even shorter (48-49 minutes for season 5). It makes no sense to me why the streaming sources, which don't have time slots to fit the show into, edit the show even more than PBS. Of the versions of the show that are available for purchase in the United States, only the DVDs are unedited.
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