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Katdam

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  1. He was insufferably preachy most of the time. The first two season where he was the main focus were incredibly boring. In the third season they started making the other kids and the neighbors more a part of the show and it made it a lot more fun and enjoyable to watch. I loved how Grandpa's face would light up when he was interacting with the good old boys and having a good time. John Boy was just such a stick in the mud. Even when he was "falling in love" with yet another girl he didn't seem to be having very much fun. The way that he would just dump a girl when she started having serious feelings for him was also obnoxious. At least Jason had enough class to not get seriously involved with girl that he didn't intend to marry. I also hated how his parents always took up his slack while they never gave the other kids that much grace. Even after the mill started making money (and Jason was still expected to work there for free) he had to work nights playing dances or at the Dew Drop Inn to pay for his tuition. Their parents never even offered to help him with gas money to get to and from their house. They seemed to have paid for Mary Ellen's school and must have taken over the tuition for Erin after the newspaper wasn't a thing anymore, but both still had to run the house when Olivia had anything better to do then the cooking and chores. John Boy just got to live there rent free and be excused from having to do any chores. He didn't even have to work at the mill on his school breaks, but instead got to use them to write.
  2. I think Cindy and Ben were actually running the mill and house. They must have downsized on everything considerably during the war years, as no one was complaining about all the chores that needed to be done. I had assumed that Jason was about to move out, as he made it clear to Elizabeth that while he felt bad for her he was not going to be her father figure. He had Toni waited for him at the Baldwins, I think she was waiting for him to get his own place so she could move in with him. And Mary Ellen and Erin were just hanging out to get their fair share of free room and board and no parents to have to take care of before moving on with their lives. Jim Bob was looking for work/trying to start his business and would have also been moving out soon. That just left Elizabeth, who Olivia and John really should have just taken along with them to finish up high school in Arizona instead of being left to raise herself.
  3. It was interesting to show how the times were changing through the other kids throughout the series. Or rather, just how differently Olivia and John related to their children as time went on and there wasn't as much stress/as many mouths to feed and bodies to cloth. John-boy - John and Olivia's son who they had when they were young. Related to them as more of a friend. Whatever resources they had were put into John-Boy and his success as their oldest son. Jason and Mary Ellen - the deep depression year kids. Were very mindful of being respectful at all times to their parents. Olivia and John and the grandparents were never afraid to put them in their place. Grew up knowing that they needed to pay for their own educations and help support the family, not that the family was there to support them. Both very serious as teens about finding their way as adults and knew that they didn't want to grow up to be like their parents. Ben and Erin - the depression was ending in their teen years. There were always hand-me-down from older siblings. Olivia and John could relax a little, even come up with money for small luxuries for them. They looked up to and could count on their parents for support in whatever they wanted to do. They were also about to explore their options in life a little bit instead of feeling like they needed to decide what they were going to do with their lives at 16. They got away with back talking and being vain or silly that didn't seem to be allowed with the older children. Jim-Bob and Elizabeth - only experienced lean years as small children. The mill was doing better and Olivia had the free time to work when she wanted to. The babies of the family. Where rarely disciplined. John and Olivia seemed to loose interest in parenting (because they left the show but really it happens a lot in big families) by the time they were teens. Allowed more freedom then the other children. John let Jim-Bob be a flake and Olivia only seemed interested in making sure that Elizabeth had a social life.
  4. I liked how after going into the military and seeing a little of the world Jason did realize that he wasn't really that good and bought the Dew Drop Inn so he could play the kind of music that he cared about. I always thought of Jason as the most like Zeb. He had a serious soul but was all smiles and happy go lucky on the outside. A natural entertainer, but not an artist. I just wondered by the end of the series if Jason even liked his family. By season 9 none of them seemed especially invested or supportive of the guy. I liked how the stuck with who he was instead of trying to make him John Boy 2.0. He never tried to force his beliefs or opinions on other people. He clearly cared about his family, but it was kind of painful to see him dumped on by them and their closed mindedness really seemed to bother him. You just wanted to scream at him to just grab Toni and get the hell out of there.
  5. No, she did not look like she was enjoying life in the limo, but that was one night that she fell off the wagon. She told Kyle that she took a pill. It was one night. People on this forum seem to forget all of the other episodes where she is the only person besides Yolanda who is actually acting like an adult, all because of one episode. She was not sit back and grinning over people fighting over her either. She seemed geniunely upset with Kyle for the way that Kyle was behaving.
  6. The way Kyle is threatened that Kim has a friend in the cast is weird and unhealthy. Kim is friendly with Brandi because she needs a friend. Kyle is trying to get between them because she is controling and manipulative over Kim. Did you see in the bridal dress fitting episode how uncomfortable it made Kyle the Kim and Kathy were talking. Kyle has issues. Kim is just enjoying life. Brandi is probably just hanging out with Kim because she has no one else to hang with on the cast, and will turn on her as soon as one of the other lady's pay attention to her. But being friends with her is Kim's choice to make, mistake or not.
  7. Why all the Kim hate? Kim is my favorite one of the real housewives. Yes, she fucked up in the previous episode. So what. At the party she was 100% in the right to tell Kyle that she was disappointed in her. Kyle was just trying to use Kim to drum up drama for herself, as usual. Kim doesn't particiate in the fake fights. When she does fight they are real and they are heart breaking to watch. She brings some much needed actual reality to this show. She is the only one on this show who is actually a respectable human being. Yes, she is an addict, get over it. When she is sober she has more character and integrity then all of these other women put together. Kyle was just mad because Kim has a friend. That women needs counseling. How she tries to constantly try to get between Kim and the other women, and then come in a "defend her sister" is not healthy. She wants to isolate Kim, when Kim is in a place where she is in desperate need of a community. She is fucking with her sister's sobriety for a little bit more camera time and it is gross. Kyle should have just been an adult and ignored Brandi. She just wanted attention and used her sister to get it. She can't stand that Kim has her own life right now so is trying to take her down.
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