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I think his power was always immortality; his ability to see (and command) ghosts seems like a side-effect of his ability to bridge the real world and the underworld.

I hope that Aaron Stanford's role isn't just a one-off in this episode. I really enjoy him as a performer (and I miss 12 Monkeys).

This reminds me a lot of the sort of ST: TNG episodes that popped up once in a while. Unfortunately, this was so over the top and singularly focused that I couldn't finish watching it at all. I don't know if it had to do with the characters involved (I find M'Benga to be a good supporting character but not interesting enough as a main, and can't stand Ortegas).

Agreed. I was kind of hoping this arc would mean that Letscher would return to the role in a more nuanced villain/hero Thawne. He's demonstrated the chops to show a wide range with the character that TC (who I love) has not shown since S2. I feel like Cavanaugh, Neil McDonough, and John Barrowman all started out really killing their charactes adn roles. But they all clearly got to a point of dialing it in/camping it up with their roles and were ready to move on. Let those characters move on entirely, or put them in a vehicle that caters to their current performance level. I would could absolutely love watching the heck out of a totally over-the-top Reverse Flash/Damien Darkh/Merlyn series (something akin to Gail Simone's vol 1 Secret Six series). I also hope this is Candace Patton's effort to get out of this series at this point. I think she is/has been severely underutilized, and deserves so much better. A friend- who never watched The Flash- came to a Flash panel with me at either WonderCon or Comic-Con and- with no knowledge of the characters or performers (and not being a particularly insightful person)- immediately observed to me that CP seemed to be completely hating being on the panel. I didn't cotton to it much at the time, but having seen how her character and performance have been treated over the years, and having read some perhaps questionable BTS reporting, I am not sure he was entirely off.

Erg. At this point, I'm only watching this show for one or more of the following reasons: 1) Momentum/completion. I've stuck with it this long, may as well (although I did manage to cut myself off the Wheel of Time books several novels before the conclusion. Maybe I'm just too weak now?) 2) Hate watching. 3) Hidden masochistic tendencies.

Like others, I have mixed feelings about this season. I definitely think it is the weak link of all three so far (which is interesting; in my experience, the sophomore season is usually the first slump in an ongoing series, or at least weaker than the first, which was not the case here. I think S2 was even better than 1.) The plot sort of meandered around, without any real focus beyond a generic apocalyptic event* which really just served as a catalyst to push everyone towards the finale. The finale left a lot to be desired, and certainly lacked the emotional heft of S2's climax (or even S1's). It also left more questions than answers**. I really liked ReginaldSparrow's scenes with the kids, which was something lacking from S1 and S2. While his inevitable betrayal was sad to see in light of the enjoyable moments with the kids (esp. Klaus), the writers at least did not commit the cardinal sin most writers do of springing it from out of nowhere. There were signposts all along that ReginaldSparrow was just as manipulative as ReginaldUmbrella. I think they did a great job of giving it some nuance though. I really, really, really didn't like Allison's storyline and agree with others that I am not happy that she got her HEA ending. I can certainly sympathize with her state of mind, after all she's been through, but I did not like that she went so dark and never achieved any sense of self-realization or growth after her betrayals. I am especially disturbed by her assault of Luther, which wasn't addressed enough for my tastes. (I also think it is odd that she killed Harlan off-panel, and we didn't really even learn that he was dead until a later episode.) Lila's story was also a little too much wrapped up in Diego, and she didn't have as much agency outside of that relationship which was kind of a letdown. Aside from those observations, and on the plus side, the characters continued to get a lot of life breathed into them by the writers and the incredible performances. This show succeeds on the strength of its ensemble cast. Even with the (temporary) addition of 7 new characters, they all were able to shine, and each character really has their own depth and nuance that is unique to them in ways that a lot of other shows fail to achieve. As long as the show is able to keep this cast and give them such great material to work with, I'll continue to enjoy the heck out of it, even when I find things to quibble about. *If this gets a S4, I hope they don't make it another Apocalyptic storyline. Let's tone down the stakes just a little bit. **I wonder if their power loss is connected to them powering up the device at the end and maybe it is just temporary, since Allison interrupted the process? If so, that would also suggest Allison might still have her powers.

I initially had the same thought, but it later occurred to me she could have "heard a rumor" she got a free flight/taxi. Why she didn't use her power to get them hotel rooms, though? Not sure.

In every episode I can recall this season, the drivers have been on the right side of the car. It has been bugging me, but I chalked it up to possibly some quirk of this world the Umbrella Academy is set in. I believe this show is shot in Ontario, where I think (?) the driver side is on the left, not the right. Yet, in this episode, Reginald is driving on the correct side of the car (left), and the correct (right side) of the road for the USA. So now I'm thinking that, for whatever reason, the editing in the prior episodes had reversed the left-right camera image, and I really can't imagine why they did that. Am I the only one that is bugged by this?

They should have named this episode "Game of Thawnes." And is Cecile turning into a new Rainbow Raider?

This. Plus, why were they not all loaded up on the ships, ready to leave instead of standing around until the last minute? Make it a Highlander type drama cutting across many time periods. I'd watch it.

Hee! Agree. I loved Cavanaugh as Wells/Thawne in S1, but he's gone straight downhill into self-parody ever since. Letscher has always done such an amazing job as Thawne, and I'm glad they may be bringing him back in that role, as I'd feared they'd finally done away with him after last season's Legends (and ignoring him for several seasons prior).

"Bring them into the light" is the new "level up."

Agree with the above sentiments. There were some good/interesting moments, but overall this episode fell flat for me. Too many worn out tropes: the infiltration escape plan, the "do you know who I am? I outrank you" bluff that barely saves the day, to the "I let them escape; it was my plan all along... in spite of all the many ways it could have gone wrong and all the unnecessary casualties." I'm a little surprised they didn't have had Leia stand on Obi-Wan's shoulders and had them pose as a reeeally tall imperial officer as part of their getaway. That said, this series excels at its visuals, its score (as mentioned above), and the acting and believability of its principal actors (notably Ewan McGregor and young Leia, Vivian Lyra Blair). Give me more of that, show, and less of the silly old rehashed plots.

Or a younger son with same powerset (okay, maybe isn't strong enough?). Or the Superfriends, etc., etc. (Side note: Just noticed all the new options for fun reactions we have in the forums now!!! 🤯)

It felt to me as much showing off to Kenobi as it was a ploy to stir up Kenobi's feels so that Vader would be able to better sense him. It definitely seemed to bother Reva, by the cutaway scene. She definitely seemed legit mad at Ben in ep 2, but I think she's just as mad at Vader and the Inquisitors/Empire and is pulling a long con in an effort to get massive revenge against everyone that took away her childhood. George Lucas is probably on the list, too. 😄

My read is that Lana is more upset because her first love didn't love her enough to tell her the truth about himself like he did his current love, Lois. Kind of understandable, but hopefully she gets over it when she realizes that she wouldn't have the things in her life that she has now if things had gone any differently. I'm just glad that the writers didn't pull the rug out from under us and have Lana experience all these feelings only to reveal that it was... dun dun DUNNN! Bizarro Lana all along! (I swear I thought they were going to do that.) Sarah and her singing definitely reminded me of early CW days when they tried to combine musical acts with tv shows to get the multimedia experience. (I mean, I still love How do you talk to an angel? and not just because I was once told I looked like Jamie Walters, but we don't really need any more of The Heights on network tv*). *Reminds me of when I once signed up at Central Casting and met a guy trying to recruit me and a couple of other guys who played instruments to start a side band to make us even more marketable. Oh, the days of youth.

I can't stand the prequels; I watched them when they came out and have rewatched at least a couple since, and I think they are just sub-par movies even judged independently of the original trilogy (in terms of dialogue, plot, performance, and visuals). I hate that so much of the Star Wars films and supplementary canon constantly revolves around Tatooine* as if it is one of the only inhabited planets in the entire SW galaxy. I had pretty low expectations of this series from announcement to airing. I thought this was incredible. I enjoyed it more than pretty much any of the current SW shows. My favorite recent movie is Rogue One. I enjoy Mandalorian for the most part, although I don't think it breaks any new ground or is amazing work. Animated series The Bad Batch is okay. Boba Fett was terrible; Han Solo was passable. So much SW revolves around the original trilogy and characters in a way that suggests there is nothing else worthwhile to mine in the entirety of the world that Lucas created, which suggests either a lack of vision among creators, or a limit to the universe created (I tend to think the former). This first episode was just a breath of fresh air to me. The initial sequence had some awkward dialogue, but the rest of the episode was stellar. The visuals were great. They made Tatooine feel like a living, breathing, gritty, realistic world in a way that no prior presentation met (ANH came closest, with Boba Fett feeling the most artificial). Ewan McGregor's performance was the best I've seen from him in years- and I have loved this guy since Trainspotting. I am really excited about the rest of this series. *Side note: It is very interesting to me that Tatooine doesn't prompt a spellcheck response here on the forums. Is it just because it is capitalized like a proper noun, or b/c the name has become such a formal part of our etymology that online dictionaries' AIs are configured to recognize it? Our fiction becoming our reality. Paigow, admit it. Your real name is Upton Sinclair isn't it? 😄 (Sidenote: I just noticed that Deborah Chow's IMDB page notes she directed the Red Hot Chili Peppers' music video for Black Summer; perhaps explaining Flea's appearance here in Obi-Wan?)

I love hate how Barry superspeed searches the entire shipyard except for the van, and then he's all "I'm going to slow down to normal speed levels and do some closeup investigation." Every time they do that, it is almost as stupid as him slowing down to regular speed to engage in dialogue with the villain and allowing them to get the jump on him. That said, this was one of the better episodes of the season, IMO.

Didn't she buy it from the Boulangerie Candice found her at? Maybe she bought a really old one from the store. That said, I did find this episode too surreal for my tastes. The stories with the main characters have been leaning more and more in this direction this season, but this was overdone to me. Particularly with Van, who I always thought was one of the more grounded characters.

You're saying he should have axed, no questions? He sure half-axed it.

That headstone is going to look like a grammatical error. "Here lies Frost Snow."

Not gonna lie, I was expecting the writers to pull the rug out from under the big reveal by having Lana tear open her shirt to reveal the inverted "S" insignia of Bizarro-Lana. John Henry is going to have more concussions than Giles from Buffy, at this rate. While it was good to see Emo kid beat up Punk Jon, I felt that they undersold the moment by just having him up and turn things around out of the blue. Needed some cutaways to concerned Jordan seeing his mom's anguished face and his brother's concern to push him over the edge. For all my criticisms, I still really enjoy the heck out of this show.

By the logic of Bizarro World, shouldn't Jordan be less emo, and not even more emo? I wasn't sure I was going to like the "backstory of all the alternative world characters" storytelling, but this turned out to be a real good episode. They even got me to have sympathy for Anderson (largely because of Ian Bohen's amazing acting turn).

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Jay Karne's FBI agent character from 12 Monkeys (a show that was actually a really good time travel series). 😁 Glad I wasn't the only one that did a doubletake.