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Derick & Jill may not post photos of their non-mission activities, visits home etc. But these days other people - and their mobile devices - are always watching. Others may do the posting for them. Then the Dillards will really need to go underground. I see a vehicle with tinted windows in their future, and blankets to hide under when John David carts them from the airport to the family compound to see Ma & Pa. No, kids - despite what Daddy's training has been. the gravy train cannot last forever. Sooner or later you will have to EARN the money you need for living, like all the rest of God's children...

Agree. It's just a gut feeling, but I have a whole LOT of trouble believing that Derick would willingly leave Walmart at this stage. Unless he really is dumber than we think. Maybe the fact that [at that point] he had TLC income as a safety net was a factor, but I just don't think he'd leave on his own. And IIRC, we did not know about the molestation until AFTER Derick "quit." I thought both the Derick and the Josh "things' happened within about a week's time - end of May.

Hello ramble - I actually use very little honey for the mask but it would definitely paste me to the pillowcases if I slept in a bed. So on my "honey" nights I sleep in my bedroom chair, which is a big faux suede chair-and-half with an ottoman. I'm basically upright all night. May sound weird but it's actually ultra-comfortable. Sometimes if I know I'm going to be home all day I'll do a honey mask on Saturday or Sunday as well. Put it on before breakfast, wash it off after supper.

Wow. According to this article, Boob was earning $25 million a year. !!! Where did this info come from? And someone who once worked with the same "mission" Jill & Derick are with currently commented that that outfit is a complete scam too! I'm no longer facetiously wondering what'll be next? Now I'm expecting more revelations about how-the-Duggars-were-not-what-they-said-they-were. Rubs hands together gleefully... That's exactly what happened. Great metaphor.

OMG, my mom was a Shaklee mom too! A good friend of hers, a farmer's wife, sold Shaklee products but was never pushy about it. She would only come around if Mom called and asked her over. She was very knowledgeable and sensible, a real Earth Mother type - and she knew all kinds of natural ways to treat conditions. Personally I tried Prosacea but never saw any significant improvement. Diagnosed at age 38. Antibiotics and Metrogel worked well but I only did the drugs for about a year. Didn't like the idea of contributing to the growth of another drug-resistant Super Germ in the world. The Metrogel was helpful but I still got red bumps, pustules and my cheeks were still always red. I look like someone who suffered a steam burn to the face. It even feels warm at times which is weird. In my reading it sounds like rosacea is really quite complicated and is caused by different factors in different people. What works in just days for patient A won't work at all for patient B. Right now I'm trying to reduce gluten in my diet and I do think this is helping. I don't think I'm intolerant to gluten but the rosacea must like it because my face is much more broken out if I have a lot of gluten in a short period. I'm eating Greek yogurt, salads, fresh fruit, eggs, fruit juice, water-packed tuna etc. No sweets - which is easy for me - never been a sweets person. And I have far fewer break-outs and blemishes eating this kind of diet. I wash with sulphur soap, tone with apple cider vinegar [raw, with the "mother'] and treat my skin with tea tree oil, aloe vera or rose & hibiscus serum, a few times each week with each one. I leave a very thin layer of manuka honey on as a mask overnight a few nights a week. Sticky but very worth it - skin is so soft and "alive" in the morning. It's only been a couple of weeks but I'd guess there's been about 75% improvement. I've been told the longer you've had rosacea the longer it takes for the redness to subside - sometimes months - so I'm going to try being patient for that. PS wirebitersm - try a little manuka honey - VERY little - on your eye. You might be amazed. But very little - if the honey gets in your eye it will sting. And good luck!

Completely agree. Deanna looked 10 times better than Me-chelle did in either of her girls' weddings. Deanna looks like she cared and prepared for the day. Me-chelle looked like she wore whatever was on the first hanger she grabbed when reaching blindly into her closet.

Agree, Western doctors are beginning to open their minds to more and that is very good news. In the short time I've been researching, I cannot believe how much I've learned about what honey alone can do for people. Just one ingredient - it's amazing. Especially when you actually try it yourself - and it works!

Good grief. don't give him any ideas... :>)

For the last 6 or so months, in the process of trying to find alternatives to antibiotics for my rosacea, I've been doing a lot of reading, research etc on natural remedies and am finding out just how good honey is for so many things. As are many other natural things [apple cider vinegar etc]. It's been dawning on me, and many others, that these things have been used - for centuries - by every culture in different ways. There's so much we don't know, and we should be trusting the natural world far more than we currently do. Big pharma has only come along in the last 100 or so years, and so much of what it produces are essentially toxins and poisons to the human body. Bottom line, that CAN'T be good, whether short or long term. By the end of this century, I think we will have had a sea-change in health care and medicine. Natural ingredients and practices will "be back" as the first choice treatment in many instances, preventative care will be stressed far more, individuals will be taking more responsibility for their health on themselves, and not relying on an MD and his Rx pad for every little thing. We've been raging a war on cancer for 50 years, primarily on the treatment front. The smarter approach HAS to be preventing disease in the first place, and how to use natural ingredients & practices to replace toxic, costly and often-ineffective drugs. Building and maintaining health from infancy on should be priority. End of soapbox... :>)

Do we know what the Gothard "policy" is when a woman strays? Not that it comes up often, but it must happen on occasion. What are the rules in this case? I'm sure a man divorcing his wife for adultery is condoned, but are the children considered at all? Wait, what am I thinking? Seriously, are couples encouraged to remain together even when the woman is the "offending" party? If I missed this being discussed previously, mea culpa - but I don't think I've heard of what they do with a cheating wife. Oh wait, she probably gets shipped to RU as well...

For sure. The Duggars consider mission "work" just another way to "earn" an income without actually working. It certainly must beat having to beg for discounts and freebies around town.

Hear, hear! Completely agree. I'm all for women dressing in whatever makes them feel comfortable and attractive. But except for the beach, I don't see any reason for dressing semi-unclothed in public, and certainly not at a wedding. Personally I've never understood this strapless wedding dress phase. What's it been now? Like 20 years or so, give or take. Time for this fad to fade away and soon...

Agree. Except for the strapless part, this was NOT at all what I expected to see. I thought Amy would choose a dress from the Las Vegas showgirl collection - LOL. Lots and lots of sparkle. It's very pretty but very basic. I'm guessing that maybe anything with more ornamentation wouldn't have been comped.

Agree - very much a wash here. IMO, the dominant person in this relationship is not Derick. And knowing Gothardism as we do, I honestly don't know if that's good or bad.

Oh dear. After seeing the photo above, and with having such a short engagement, I'm guessing Amy is pregnant too. Hey, she's coming up on 30. Time's a wasting, girls. Reminds me of a cousin of mine who "dated" her boyfriend for 14 years and then suddenly got pregnant in her mid 30s. Uh-huh. Let me park the turnip truck, then I'll be right back and we can talk...

Quite frankly, I get a lot of "creepy" from Mary herself. I suspect she is much more "verbal" off the record than we'd ever guess, but on camera she's just the proverbial sweet old Grandma-type. There have been numerous reports that she was very active, back in the day, in soliciting freebies for Boob's too-large family, from all over town. She never seemed all that crazy about Boob's dad, though she might have had good reasons. But she didn't even defend the poor guy when he was days from death and being propelled all over the first floor of the TTH in a wheeled office chair. And she certainly got widely-disparate results when it comes to child-rearing. At one end of the spectrum, there's Boob and Gothardism. At the other end, a daughter who behaved very nearly the opposite of her brother in every way [kudos Deanna]. Definitely makes me wonder about Grandma Mary...

I've been to a whole bunch of Jewish weddings held on Sunday afternoons, mostly Reformed Jews. And my parents talked for 45 years about their best friends' wedding on a Sunday afternoon at the bride's home. Off-topic but - I saw the photos and it was indeed a beautiful, very small home wedding. Absolutely stunning black-and-white photos. The kind of exquisite B&W photography that, if you saw the color versions of the same photos, you'd actually be disappointed.

Ah, Boob and Doug P and the "200-Year Plan." Boys, boys. What you two crazy kids don't know - because, of course, history isn't important - is that extremist plans like yours have NEVER lasted. In fact, they never come CLOSE to achieving their goals. In the grand scheme of things, they actually peter out very quickly. Pun intended. Relatively recent case-in-point: the Third Reich and one of its most highly-touted talking points - a thousand years of domination and enlightenment by the Germanic people. Sorry to tell you boys, but it went down in a little over 12 years. Less than a single generation. So it's back to the drawing board, boys. See if you can come up with something that looks a LOT more like the Bell Curve than this Quiverful idiocy you've got on your plate right now. And good luck [not really] because you two geniuses are so going to need it.

Jill as an ultrasound tech is a great idea, but somehow I can't see her kicking in with the requisite amount of Humble that she'd need in order to work with other medical professionals. Not to mention the moms-to-be. I see her as a team player in many other scenarios, but not this one. She might find the urge to offer her opinions, what with her vast amount of experience, somewhat overpowering.

Yes to everything but the fish tacos. I can't see Josh eating anything but pure, unadulterated crud. Deep-fried with cheese and bacon.

Heartbreaking to think of the waste that's going on. And not just that the Duggar kids aren't being encouraged to learn and grow and make contributions to society. But all fundie kids everywhere, regardless of their fundie "species." Nothing but a damn waste. Maybe God, or the Celestial Magistrate, or Nature, intended for one of those kids to be the next Steve Jobs - Albert Einstein - Martin Luther King - Gandhi - Leonard Bernstein - Beverly Sills - Jonas Salk - Billy Graham - Pope Francis - Meryl Streep - Daniel Day Lewis. I could go on and on. Heavy sigh...

From what I recall from an 'intro to speech development' class in college, that higher-pitch business is instinctive, in females - and found in every culture and race. It must be part of our DNA, because it's done in Manhattan, on the Kalahari and on the Russian tundra. Edited to add - I should have been clearer. It's been found that in general, females of all cultures use a higher-pitched tone with babies and very young children. And not forever, but just while the child is young. Definitely not with adults or older children etc. So yep, Me-chelle obviously does have an issue here.

Good to know the numbers seem to be better. I'm wondering if the stat I heard was - of people who start a 4-year degree, only 25-30% of them finish within that 4-year time frame. Although I do remember asking our VP for enrollment management at that time whether the one-out-of-four number could actually be correct. Not only did he say Yes, but he said it might not be that high at certain schools.

Your choice of words was perfect - and interesting. I also believe Priscilla and David were "placed" with each other.

Yes, overall I think a person having the tenacity and drive to complete a degree is most important - the subject being studied is not always so critical. My college roommate was an undergrad social work major and at the time we graduated, an MA/MS was necessary for an entry-level position in social work. She couldn't afford to go right to grad school, so she got a job in a bank, which she ended up loving. The bank sent her to school for an MS in finance and she is now the associate bursar at an Ivy League school. Another pertinent fact - lots of people start college but roughly only about 25-30% earn a bachelor's degree. Just one in four, Something I found appalling the first time I heard it, about 30 years ago. This, IMO, is wrong - America should be better than this. I haven't seen statistics in about 5 years so I don't know what the data is now, but it could be even worse, with higher ed being so outrageously expensive.