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Agreed with pretty much everything. Honora is batty as fuck, and how she would even get her hands on anything of Shane's feels dubious to me. Someone named Russell Beauchemin is also all over the FB pages and is threatening to 'tell all'; either Dani's dad or some other male relative. Alana said Shane didn't give her any problems, so just who is it that was the supposed sexual harasser? Dani J the sociopath? Every single person from the lazy group is acting a fool. This is the kind of ish that bratty fifteen year old girls pull. If they don't like their edit, fine. They seriously need to stop flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks. I don't know if this kind of drawn out drama has happened on any other reality show (if it has I've no clue as I don't watch that many) but this leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that I'm not all that interested in watching any longer. The show itself went from an interesting idea to drama llama fest pretty quickly. I hear Alone over on History Channel is a great one and watching a few of the episodes it was refreshing to see just how little drama you can have on a reality show and still have it be a fascinating program.

Alana's facebook page is filled with people who can't stand her. She left up a post that was hashtagged with things like #haters #idontcare #yomomma etc. while she 'took a break' from FB and it is just loaded with messages that basically say "fuck you". Unreal. The amount of hate there is, well, not surprising, let's say interesting!

All the XL cast Facebooks are a mess. Honora posted a text supposedly from Shane where he says he found peanut butter and oreos, and that his whole group was surviving on it. Why he had to tap and looked so skeletal if he was eating peanut butter is beyond me, but...Chas, from Veggie Dani's episode keeps threatening Jeff to 'tell the truth or he will' on Twitter, and Veggie Dani keeps telling people that someone was sexually harassed but refuses to say who it was. The relevant facebooks and twitters to look at are Honora Bowen and Dani Beau. Russell Sage, who was on the first season, is saying that Shane was the harasser, but Honora says very firmly that she would love to do a N&A episode with Hakim, Dani J, and Shane and that she really likes all of them. Who knows. It's crazy town over there.

Evil, toxic bitch. What else is there to say about her?

I can't believe I didn't comment all season because I love this show, but: Jeff is an awesome guy. I'm not religious at all, but he seems like a very honest, likable person as well as being a man of his word. Good on him and really, screw the lazy six. They all showed themselves to be horrible people in the way they treated Dani. Blaming editing doesn't cut it when the plain and simple truth is that you're being either an active asshole or a follower who goes along to get along.

I just read like, the last forty pages of this and I have to say that 1. I am so, so sorry and 2. I am so, so glad I weaned myself from this shitshow.

Kim is clearly also on benzos, and it takes forever to get clean from them, like years off a person's life. I know three people who successfully kicked but basically had no life at all for two to three years while their brains re-regulated. Couldn't get out of bed, had constant involuntary muscle spasms, one woman had lost the ability to speak, all of which made their doctors think there was something else medically wrong with them. This is also what happened with Eminem, who supposedly recently kicked benzos (and was out of the public eye long enough to support that story) but now looks like a very, very old man. The same people who prescribe this poison don't even care or understand how awful the w/d is for people. I know there's a lot more awareness about it in the UK thanks to a doctor named Heather Ashton, who basically wrote the book on how to w/d safely, but here in the US you still hear about thirty-day detoxes for benzos, which frankly is a joke and dangerous as shit. I myself have tried twice to get off them but had such ridiculous reactions, mainly to do with heart and blood pressure, that my doctor at UCLA who is an addiction specialist told me that I probably wasn't a good candidate to stop, so I take the lowest dose I can to prevent withdrawal--which is all they do at this point--and hope that my liver hangs in there. I'm going on twenty years now. The first doctor told me how they would change my life. Well, yeah. That's one way of putting it. Benzos are such a hellish fucking drug. When you're first prescribed them, it feels like they're saving you because you can function again--which for an agoraphobic is beyond relief, but what they're really doing is destroying you. Your brain and body become incredibly physically dependent on something that can cause psychotic reactions during what's known as protracted withdrawal syndrome--the two to three year reset for your GABA receptors. It's a horror show, and I can see Kim wanting to avoid the benzo issue just because I've been there. Everyone is different, but in my experience they were an absolutely nightmarish drug to even attempt to stop taking, the lowest I ever got was 3 mg a day before I began having all kinds of problems with every single system in my body going completely haywire. And I had a crack support team. Amazing people. Still couldn't control what was happening to my heart. Kim has thrown so many people under the bus that I can't imagine what it must be like for her. She lives in a city with access to some amazing doctors but who knows how many of them she's crossed?

Just did a rewatch and was struck at how all the 'good' guys are actively encouraging Jimmy to break bad in this episode by telling him to do what he clearly does not want to do. Hamlin, Kim, and Chuck all tell him repeatedly to 'take the money'. With moral compasses like these, I can see how Jimmy's fall would come about. If the people you look up to are telling you that it doesn't matter what you do, take the money and run? Yeah, I might come out of that a little bit fucked up too.

I'm very glad that God forgives. I certainly don't have to.

Wow, Vicky8675309, thank you! You're the closest thing we have to a Walter White! So, basically, to test for toluene, they would need to have a strong suspicion that this was a part of the problem. That was the one bit I could never figure out, because it seems like such a random thing to look for. Perhaps Chad or one of the kids was concerned about it and spoke up. The Intervention videos, as far as I know, are not staged. The addicts are told they're going to be in a documentary and that's how the footage is obtained. I've got a certain song stuck in my head now... :)

I'm still looking for clarification on this point but may never get it, mainly because I'm not a chemist and don't know any, but: how could there be a detectable level of toluene in Kim's blood if she isn't huffing? Toluene isn't a part of the chemical makeup of meth, it's used to extract the meth. It's just part of the process. Someone call Heisenberg. Don't tox screens test for meth anyhow? I would think if it had shown up they would have released that information as well, but all we've heard about is the toluene. Or was there another report that I missed?

You pour the liquid out of a bottle and onto a rag, and inhale that, or you can inhale directly from a canister. I think most people these days inhale from canisters. If you go back a few pages you'll see a videos from a woman on Intervention who inhaled Dust-Off. It's very scary stuff.

As regards Alison, the huffer on Intervention, my husband and I watched that episode in stone cold horror. We were sure she was going to be permanently brain damaged and were amazed that by the end of the episode, she already seemed a thousand percent better. Terrifying. I knew a kid in my neighborhood back in Brooklyn who huffed Dust-Off for cleaning computers and just dropped dead from it one day. I can't imagine that huffing paint thinner or glue feels so amazing that the risk/reward for it would be worth it in any way at all, but who knows with Kim? I seriously hope that they are at the breaking point with Kim in terms of her remaining on the show. This level of information is way too much. I can still snark, but why? She's just a sick, messed up, nasty woman. It reminds me a little bit of when Britney Spears was having such a rough time. I was never a fan, but people were ruthless about her and in her case it felt more like mental illness than anything else. It wasn't fun to watch her fall apart and it wasn't fun to make fun of her either. Just depressing. Hopefully Andy will finally realize this is a little bit more important than a ratings grab and just tell Kim that it's over.

Was Demi huffing paint/glue or was she doing nitrous oxide? Whip-its, the hippie crack! One of my first parties that I went to in LA and every single person was doing nitrous. A bunch of people had their own bottles (!) really fancy, from places like Sur La Table to make whipped cream with, only they wasn't any heavy cream involved. Okay, I admit, I did some. It was very giggly stuff, just like being at the dentist, only better because no one was filling any cavities or pulling anything. They sold the chargers at our local Gelson's. Crispin Glover was always there. Maybe he was there for the nitrous too.

I'm not sure what you mean, Higgins. GBL is GBL and there is no toluene involved in the synthesis of it. Nor is it used to make GBH, doesn't break down into toluene in the body either. Right? Or no?

Or you can have absolutely horrendous parents and turn out to be a decent person.

Kimmy huffs! I knew it back in the TWoP days with the damned air freshener comments! No wonder she's so fucking out of it half the time. When Chad made the comment about 'you do this' he was probably referring to huffing. You either soak a cloth with the liquid or you inhale it from the can. She still won't spend any time in jail, though. Toluene is a solvent, Higgins. Kid, I kid. Just bein' snarky. :) As for the presence of toluene being in Kim's blood because she uses meth or freebase, I'm not so sure? Using baking soda is a lot easier, just open up the kitchen cabinet. I would think one could only achieve a detectable amount via sniffing paint thinner. Kim likes to huff.

I honestly can't see them keeping her on. No one will speak to her other than Brandi, and Brandi is stupid as hell, but even she knows that Kim is viewed by many as being what is colloquially known as 'a total asshole', so where's the story they can tell? We already saw her do this once. It wasn't remotely interesting the first time either. The show will either become the Kim and Brandi Hour, or it will be insanely divided between Kim/sometimes Brandi and the rest of the women doing fun stuff and living their lives, because none of them seem to want to give the time of day to Kim or Brandi. I can see Brandi trying to glom a little harder onto Yo in the hopes that Yo will be her new Lisa V. Kim? Kim is basically alone at this point. She has written the ladies off and they appear to be responding in kind. Good for them, but I can't see the show working at all with that setting.

My problem with Kim being double trouble i.e. having a substance abuse problem and likely a personality disorder is this: having a mental illness does not excuse assy behavior. It really doesn't. You can have some very heavy shit going on, but this does not give you the right to lord it over other people and treat them like your very own personal punching bag. I have panic disorder and agoraphobia, and anxiety can make you do some pretty weird stuff. There is still no way in hell I would ever treat people the way my narcissist mom did, or my alcoholic dad. It doesn't fly. I've been in therapy for most of my life, so at least I recognize the pitfalls, but the onus is on the person with the problem to handle that problem as much as they possibly can. I'm not saying Kim needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps, because I hate that too. Sometimes you can't pull yourself up. But you can at the very least recognize how your illness affects other people and try not to make them feel fucked up because you yourself feel fucked up. I'm coming from a place where, in theory, I should be able to empathize with Kim 100%, goddamnit! But I just can't. Her toxicity makes it so fucking hard. When I heard that voice being used on her kids on Dr. Phil? That sealed my utter dislike for the woman. I can't even imagine the hell those kids have been through with this woman for a mother. Not at all. And I have the same background, only with added welfare. Seriously, I don't know what's left to salvage in Kim.

Well, okay. I just watched the whole Dr. Phil ep, which...yes, I'm on the slow boat these days. Kim, you know who you can trust? Your fucking children who are sitting across from you, watching you lie your ass off AGAIN on camera, giving many fucks about you. What an insufferable bitch of a woman. I couldn't believe how she was talking to both her daughters but then again it's Kim, so of course, I can. I for one am ecstatic that Chad opened his mouth. Even if Kim refuses to heal, her children can--by stopping all the secrets and telling the truth.

Shit! I've missed out on so much! Why did I NOT think to look here after news of little Kimmy broke? Time to read through pages and pages of snark! I just watched a bit of the Dr. Phil thing--Jesus Christ, her kids are fucking fed up with her shit. What a selfish bitch.

Umbelina, wasn't it Promises out in Malibu? I knew a guy who was a driver for them and he had certainly heard a lot of stuff that seemed to violate confidentiality agreements, although I have no idea if that was because he was hearing it from the people who were supervising the inpatients or because he drove the people in the program around and they liked to talk. At any rate, he's a heroin addict--he hasn't used in years--and he said that he thought the place was essentially useless in terms of getting people clean. The people there are allowed to make up a lot of their own rules about their sobriety, which sounds a lot like Kim to me.

Thank you for writing this, Reo. Absolutely how I feel.

The idea that the people who have been abused and are set off by Kim's actions are people seen to be rooting for her death, wow. I don't know. I think that's so sad, really. As for serial killer and rapist, no. Addict and narcissist, yes.

Definitely Eileen!