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They really are just horribly boring. Even worse, they don't make me laugh. RHONY has historically been one of the funnier franchises, but these women are almost entirely humorless. Such a bummer. Jenna is at least interesting, but Jessel probably comes the closest to making me actually laugh. She's ridiculous in a way that I can almost appreciate.

Have to be honest, thrilled it didn't end like this. I thought it was a pretty realistic ending for a dad who jumped back into a toxic relationship waaaaay too quickly and with very little thought to his real life. There was no reason for him to even let his kids know about Carrie this quickly, much less have her become competition (in Wyatt's mind.) I have little doubt that Wyatt has problems, but I think he also manipulated his big dumb dad. Hope to St. Samantha that we never have to see that big oaf again. ETA that I hated last season, but really enjoyed this one for the most part. Pretty happy that we're getting a 3rd. Also, so funny how many of us Walking Dead fans stopped watching at the same time!

Wedding was extremely tacky in the most Jersey way possible. Tre walking down the aisle looking like the Queen of the Jerz. God bless, it's not for me, but I get it. Margaret is honestly a massive, gross, overdone loser with nothing to offer. And, no, that is not a good weight for her, Jill. She needs a few pounds not to look like her own mother's twin sister. She's a nasty piece of work and may be my most hated housewife on any franchise and that's saying a LOT.

I loved it so much. This goes down as one of the best all time scenes on this show, for me.

It's insane how whatever Margaret has done to herself over the last year has turned her into a total Marge Sr. clone. I literally thought she was Marge Sr. in at least two scenes.

I have to be honest, to me it looks like they're taking her shit and begging for more. I think they know that if she stops reacting, the gravy train ends for them. They've always been pathetic, but this season is dramatically worse. Feels like everyone else has moved on, including the audience.

I thought it was just me. In the second episode, I thought this guy was Irish. Suddenly he's not at all. What's happening with this?

I hated camp. I have one kid who goes to a few camps here in NJ and one who absolutely refuses. So what? She finds things to do. Jen has a pool and other things for her kids to do and I"m sure they go on plenty of trips. It's really not my business. Marge is also the last HW I would take parenting advice from. The way she doesn't seem to give a single crap about how kids might respond to infidelity goes a long way in explaining her relationship with her own stepkids. I'm not Marge's biggest fan but even I was surprised at the way she responded last night to people taking issue with her "they can get therapy" joke. The way she responds to Jen's very reasonable feelings about Bill's cheating and the way it might affect her children is very chilling. If it were my kids, I probably would have punched her in the face. Gross.

I really really miss the winter seasons when they would be celebrating holidays, especially in NJ.

I was surprised to see such a strong reaction to Teresa's behavior, considering what has gone on on these shows for years. Certainly not the first time we've seen a glass thrown at someone. I mean, I think how she acted was ridiculous and embarrassing for a grown woman, but it didn't feel shocking to me. I got a little choked up at the memories of the Giudice house. I remember Tre and Jacqueline being in the hospital with their babies around the same time that I brought my youngest home. Watching that season got me through some loooong breastfeeding sessions. Seeing all those flashbacks with the tiny dorters made me realize how we've watched them grow up and how my own dorters are now also getting so much older. Sniff. Plus, I just loved the old seasons with the original cast. I enjoyed this show SO much when it was made up of people who were genuinely connected to one another. Even the people I couldn't stand (Caroline) I would watch in a heartbeat over these new randos. The flashbacks were a killer for me - I don't know that I can keep watching this show. I wish the best for Jackie who is clearly suffering, but I don't want to watch it play out because I find her hard to watch and I'm not buying whatever she and her bland husband are selling. I like Jen, but she could also disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't care at all. I absolutely can not tolerate Marge who has nothing to do but gossip about other people in every single scene. It's relentless and her mouth is gross and she has also cursed us with some of the most insanely irritating guest stars that this show has ever seen. Marge Sr., the weird thirsty housekeeper, the irritating "assistant" who gossips with her, her sad sack of a husband who she also gossips at 24/7. Just awful all around. And Tre's house was a monstrosity for sure, but Marge's interior is a crime against interior decorators everywhere. This is a woman who can't stop talking about other people's business and I might threaten to punch her lights out too. Someone on reddit compared her to Linda Tripp and now I can't unsee it. I'll give it to the end of this season, but I might be down to just BH after this one.

They all look absolutely terrible. I like Jen's look the best, even the earrings. If she lost the boas, she'd look pretty good.

This is what I am talking about. Yes, I'm sure Jen dug into Evan (as did many others) and I don't blame Evan for being angry about it and I don't even blame him for yelling at Bill about it. But, when things really took a turn was when he demanded that Bill admit that Jen is a terrible (or horrible) person, which is demanding something very different that frankly no spouse is going to go along with - nor should they.

I'm sorry, Jen is shady, but what did Evan expect? That Bill would be like, yes, you're right Evan, my wife IS a terrible person. The woman I cheated on when she was pregnant with my child IS a terrible person. Uh.. I honestly didn't think much of the whole Evan cheating rumor last year, mostly because Evan is so boring that I could barely spend time thinking about it, but his reaction to Jen's digging around Frank's supposed photo proof is making me a bit more interested. He seems unhinged about it whereas he was pretty whatever about Tre last year. Why? Also he is so not hot to me. He's like a weird fuzzy bear cub or something. Joe B is a perfect match for his nosey wife. By the way, I can't stand to watch Marge talk. Bleh, she's gross. Get a life, Marge. Tiki and his wife are so thirsty. Louie is obviously very weird and I want to know more.

I've given up after this episode and turned back to RHoBH. It's not perfect, but at least Leah isn't there. When she said she was going straight to her family when she left, I was overwhelmed with pity for her parents. She's ruined this show, I can only imagine what she's done to her family. Will check back in when/if she goes. Will miss Luann and the noodle, but that's what repeats are for.

There was no reason to give the coat to her at that time at all, especially after all the insanity that had transpired earlier thanks to Sutton and directed at Crystal. They were all staying in the house, it's not like Crystal left her coat in the lobby at a hotel. Sutton did it to be weirdly aggressive all under the guise of "niceness" which is her entire MO. "That's what girlfriends do." What an absolute creep. I wouldn't want her as more than a casual acquaintance.

I'm so uncomfortable with the turn this has taken. I think Crystal made a real effort with Sutton after the initial argument by asking her questions about her parents (though that effort was not returned by Sutton) and then by trying to bring her into the prank (that she was also not a part of). Instead, Sutton decided to insinuate that Crystal kicked her viciously or something and acted like a total lunatic. Ugh, honestly, I would have ZERO patience for someone like Sutton. To me, she is clearly someone who uses her supposed fragility to manipulate people and situations. If that doesn't work, she tries to convince people of how nice she is by buying things for them. Seriously, the flowers thing was so weird. How about you start by just not being a weirdo? I had no problem with Crystal telling her that she was creepy and weird because she was being creepy and weird and something tells me Crystal is not the first person to experience this from Sutton. Sutton had a great time on the last night because she won. Crystal got scared off and was hiding in her room. Yay for Sutton, see how fun she is? I also suspect that she's taken someone else's suggestion about the house being behind all this and run with it. Just my opinion. I've known a few Suttons in my life and they are an absolute drain for someone like me to be around. I can also be very deadpan and tend to not argue emotionally, particularly if I'm dealing with someone like Sutton who uses emotions and tears as a weapon. I've had my share of being called a bitch and an ice queen, but I'm certainly not one and I doubt that Crystal is either. I like her. I'm glad she's here. Hoping her experience gets better.

I hate myself for feeling this way, but I also had two completely different reactions to Jackie and Margaret's sexual harassment stories. For some reason, Jackie's seemed totally honest to me, but I've never had an easy time believing Margaret's. And I'm definitely a believe all women type of woman. So, I'll believe her but...something isn't sitting right with me there. I still find Jackie to be whiny, boring, and see no evidence of her supposed lawyering skills. She falls apart or starts screaming bloody murder at the smallest provocation. I certainly wouldn't hire her. Any way we could keep Evan and lose Jackie? Don't like Luis. Nope. That's a big NO from me, Tre.

I absolutely detested Jill by the end, but I've been rewatching seasons 1 and 2 over the last month and would give anything to have that cast again. Magic.

It wasn't the most exciting finale, but it will do. This is my favorite franchise now that Leah has infested NYC. Bill as Prince at the party dispensing advice to Joe Gorga was absolutely killing me. I love you, Bill. Never change. Margaret's house is so ugly, but it also clearly is her taste. Good for her. I love Dolores on this show and think she's probably the most interesting of the women. Her life is completely bizarre, I'm down with watching this. Louis is clearly a player and I hope she realizes it before her kids go through more shit. Also, I'm pretty sure Tre can actually cook. I have a friend who works in production on a bunch of these reality shows and from what I've heard, the woman can cook as well as any other Italian lady (which is pretty well!) and that her house smells delicious. I think we all know that Joe G is a chauvinist, but can anyone explain to me just what it is that he is keeping Melissa from doing? I literally don't understand the *what* here. I think he has a good point in that he's supported her in all her dumb ideas, including the "singing career". What is she trying to do specifically? I feel that we never got that small detail. Also, hate to tell her but, I don't think she'd still be on this show without Joe and Tre. Sorry.

I am not here for RHONY: Starring Leah whateverhername is Like, at all. Thank god for RHONJ that still feels like a show with people who may actually move in the same circles. Forcing Ramona and Lu to hang out with Leah seems really cruel and making me watch it is even worse. Check, please.

My guess is that she's doing it for her parents' attention which seems to be the reason she does pretty much anything. She annoys them by doing something stupid or dangerous and then gets to complain about how they judge her afterwards. Rinse and repeat. Those poor people.

I made the mistake of rewatching seasons 1 and 2 this weekend and it's made it very difficult to enjoy this new season. Man, the cast was so great in those seasons and the drama was so organic and quiet yet still dramatic. What a downgrade. Leah may very well chase me away from this franchise, just as Brandi did on BH. I feel sorry for her parents.

Jen and Bill are definitely my favs this season. Dolores and Frank Sr. are a close 2nd. I get a total kick out of Frank who could not be more into the housewife gossip if he tried. He LOVES it. I can't get enough of how Dolores bosses him around like they're still married. Frank: Should I start the grill? Dolores: Yeah, start the grill. Like, hello? This is a classic husband/wife conversation. These two are so confusing and yet I love it. Everyone has lived in David's house but Dolores who still throws parties there. What is even happening with these people? I'm not sure, but please keep going. Also I love Frank Jr who, in response to his sister saying how everyone at school is smarter than her "that's how you get better!" I love this family. Honestly, I'd take Caroline back over Jackie and I couldn't stand Caroline, but at least she has things going on. I'd definitely rather watch Caroline clean her counters while her annoying kids throw ham around than watch Jackie put on another fake scene with her kids "going to miss me?!" This bitch is really trying my patience. I barely noticed Marge.

Teresa is a nightmare person....she's also right about Jackie. Also, Jackie, spend less time worrying about how much better you are than people who have gone to *gasp* jail and spend that time brushing your hair instead. And sell that vibrator on ebay and buy yourself a personality.

She's a snoooooooooooze. She should send Teresa a gift basket for giving her a storyline.