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I am hoping it might still happen. But somehow, I feel the writers will stick to a Henry. Maybe with Lucy instead of Jacinda, although I recall that didn't work either, when Lucy was in the hospital. lol

And it all happens off-screen. :-p And when Sabine finds out she misjudged him, she'll feel so remorseful that she'll confess her love to him.

Lol. Does she even know that he is (was?) in prison? Or did she think he'd shirked off from work? I couldn't catch what Jacinda actually told Henry. So, Jacinda just sits at home and only goes to help at the food truck when there's no one else to help? Or is she now the recipient of all the Tremaine wealth?

It's on the head of an elephant, with nine more elephants below it. The heroes--the great great great great grandchildren of Snowing (all of them the same age as Snowing, who are still in their 30s), will band together to destroy the Final Evil--the Avatar.

It was also ridiculously silly. I can see the appeal of wordless hand-waving to do magic.

Oops, I forgot. :-p But even with that--the black woman wouldn't be socializing equally with the Mean Girl's crowd in America of the times. The writers didn't even remotely try with this episode. She's a True Hero. At least she didn't die with a Black Spot in her heart.

And for some reason, the green skin makeup had washed off at that point. Was that supposed to be a sign of death? lol

Why even have the timeline be thousands of years ago? That Nymph enclave was supposed to be the last bastion of magic in the land--they may as well have set the event in the last century or two. I guess they wanted this to be the Great Mythology that explains why our world alone doesn't have any magic. So, what the even heck was she doing for thousands of years? Twiddling her thumbs? And if we did have to be saddled with the hippie bitch witch's Tragic Backstory(TM), at the least they could've explained how she ended up in the Tower, or why she cursed WHook and Alice. It's not like she cared a hang about Alice until she found the latter had magic. And there's no explanation why she was after Ana, and didn't bother with Alice until then. I just couldn't take her remotely seriously after that bad wig/skin paint job. LMAO

I guess I missed these spoilers. But it doesn't matter. I was mostly just making a joke. lol Ugh...I thought at least we'd have an end of Lucy's meddling, but apparently Henry loses his faith...again. So tired of this!

This was so cringe-worthy. I couldn't wait for the scene to end! As was Lucy's reaction when True Love's kiss didn't work. Also, a glass slipper doth not a Cinderella make.

I only meant the wood nymph part. When was that revealed before today?

*Snerk* They were still played by coat-hangers in that scene when the poor Desk Sergeant led Gothel to them!

H...How did you...

Rogers and Tilly killed me with all the feels. Even Henry's scenes weren't bad. As for Gothel...I was rolling my eyes so hard, they almost rolled out of my head, Why was that rich woman against magic, and why did she murder all the nymphs? And why didn't the nymphs save themselves, when Gothel single-handedly saved herself? While we're at it, how did Prince James murder all those giants?

Oh, absolutely! It seems like he only loved her because she was always stroking his ego even when he put in zero effort, and even when he was actively and consistently abusing her. I also wanted to add something about pre-DO Rumple. He wasn't evil, but he was selfish. There is nothing commendable about playing with his son, but letting his wife bear the brunt of his poor choices. While I can't blame him for not killing the healer to save Bae, he had no qualms about how his decision to sacrifice his second-born would affect Milah. This probably also meant that their conjugal days were over from then on, as that would be the only way to not have another child. He made no apologies to her. He assumed she would be okay with his decision, just as he expected her to adjust to staying in the village despite how deeply unhappy she was. He never tried to compromise for her sake. His wife just had to lump every decision he made. His selfishness carried over in his marriage to Belle, but she was a willing aider and abetter. Belle was everything Milah was not. She even gave up her dreams of travelling to go live alone with Rumple in an empty realm. It felt like the narrative justified Rumple's (multiple) murders of Milah because she was mean to him and left him.

With Rumple, everything they've shown us suggests that in his deepest nature, he is morally weak, and when temptation comes, he will always make the selfish choice. When I say someone is morally weak, I'm not saying that it means either that they have no choice to do good, or that they're innately terrible human beings. It's just that they have to struggle harder to do the right thing. Rumple, however, has never made an attempt to resist temptation except on very rare occasions. It's not like he doesn't know what the right thing is. He just doesn't care about doing it. I think the storybook AU came closest to revealing the writers' concept of the core personality traits of these characters. Some of it was deliberately done, some of it was played for laughs or out of laziness, but it still gave insights into their ideas. Snowing were so comically evil, that it was obvious as an extreme opposite of their true personalities. It also showed how little the writers cared about them. Regina's core trait was linked to sacrificing her life for Henry. That's always been at the core of her redemption (even if it has been poorly done). Robin was wishy-washy as usual. Zelena was jealous. The writers didn't care about them either. Hook's core trait was linked to courage and sacrifice once he found a purpose. Again, very true to his character. Henry's arc was once again tied to getting Emma to help save other people. Emma inspired people into being better and making better choices. But once again, she was prevented from doing the climactic "saving", and that role was given to someone else (Regina). They just never strayed from this. Rumple's core trait was shown as a lust for power and selfishness. Belle was just a prop in Rumple's story, which again reflected more on Rumple's desires than revealing anything about her. It's never been his choice to give up power. Even with Pan, when he sacrificed himself to save Belle and Neal (and maybe Henry), he didn't have to live without his power. So, now that he wants to give up his power to reunite with Belle, it all rings false.

I didn't think of Rumple as irredeemable in earlier seasons. In fact, he used to be one of my favorite charatcers in Season 1, when he retained some ambiguity. But in later seasons, he become more and more two-dimensional, and he's now lost all of his complexity. The only way for him to be a good person now is to live in a bubble with nothing around that could tempt him to evil. Not interesting.

I think for me Rumple crossed the line to completely unsympathetic when he proposed to Belle using the fake dagger as his alibi. He deliberately manipulated Belle's naivety to take revenge on Zelena. From then on, he didn't have any mitigating factors for his bad or evil choices, flimsy or otherwise. If the writers had planned to make him an unredeemable villain after his resurrection, that would've been an excellent choice. They could have shown him slowly losing all of his humanity after the loss of his son. But they meant to redeem him, and didn't have him do a single decent thing from that point, and sent him off into the sunset with Belle and their child, and his power intact.

She probably killed a couple of soldiers on a daily basis.

Regina's murder of Wish Snowing was played for laughs too. They keeled over instantly like puppets.

This is what I've thought all along. Hook was in danger of becoming more sympathetic and popular than their pet villains, so they cut him down to size. I really do think it was Hook's remorse and self-loathing that continued to make him more believable as a redeemed villain. But the angst and self-flagellation got too much in Season 6. This was a large part of it too. The writers were too lazy/afraid to step out of their self-established tropes for their characters. But viewers want to see progression. Not the same old same old for six years. That's why the show steadily kept losing viewers.

Rumple enjoyed physically and psychologically torturing people, and Regina enjoyed murdering people. There’s nothing to excuse that away. I recently was reminded of Rumple gleefully beating the crap out of people (sometimes right in front of Belle’s eyes), and really wonder how anyone could stay with such a violent person without fearing for themselves? “Because True Love” was a piss-poor reason.

She still jokes about wanting to be the one to murder someone, whether it her her beloved sister or her protegee-turned-enemy Drizella. At least she's not murdering people on a whim now.

"Yawn" at the first and last parts. Does that mean Rogers and Margot are awake, or does this have something to do with Gothel coercing Tilly to doing something nefarious by threatening Rogers in the upcoming episode?

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