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So are we still not supposed to know who ordered the hit on Selina Kyle and who killed the Waynes? Are we just now supposed to believe more that it was someone in Wayne Enterprises or something? When does this show come back on since this was the "Fall Finale"?

Can someone explain something? I notice tonight's episode is referenced as the "fall finale"? I thought the season was going to be 22 episodes? When will it come back on TV again?

Confusion on something about Black Mask in this episode. I know they referenced him as Richard Sionis and Black Mask's name is actually Roman Sionis. So was this actually the Black Mask or his father? How do you know for sure? It couldn't be the Black Mask could it because he would be really old by the time Batman is around?

Can someone refresh my memory....what is Jim Gordon completely not revealing to Barbara again? She said she wants him to tell her everything and he already told her about not shooting Oswald Cobblepot...what else is it referring to?

Some questions/notes.... 1.) Who is the "familiar villain that returns" referencing in the first post of this thread & the intros to this show? 2.) Could Dr. Marks somehow be Talia al Guhl or someone related to Ra's ah Ghul and that's the answer to Question 1? The way Dr. Marks talked about "cleansing the city" automatically made me think of Ra's ah Ghul...I know Talia al Ghul is more Batman's age right so probably not? 3.) Can someone refresh my memory....what is Jim Gordon completely not revealing to Barbara again? She said she wants him to tell her everything and he already told her about not shooting Oswald Cobblepot...what else is it referring to?

I have seen other websites that gave their reviews all say it was Wayne Enterprises. Not necessarily people on this forum.

Ok so again...if WellZyn could make it's own decisions and such away from Wayne Enterprises...why does everyone assume that it's Wayne Enterprises that killed the Waynes rather than WellZyn since they wanted to continue making Viper?

Yes I know that WellZyn is a subsidiary of Wayne Enterprises but again couldn't it have been more WellZyn having to do with the murders of the Waynes rather than Wayne Enterprises? Or maybe I just don't understand the term subsidiary enough and they are one in the same?

I'm thinking it's Zsasz?

Three questions... 1. Why does everyone assume that it's Wayne Enterprises that could be the one that has something to do with the murder of the Waynes rather than WellZyn? I mean WellZyn is the one that wanted to keep Viper in production and when they found out the Waynes were going shut it down had as much plausibility to kill them off as Wayne Enterprises right? 2. At the end of the show when Mathis is talking to someone on the phone...can we assume she was talking to someone from WellZyn? 3. Also, does anyone know a good site online that gives a good detail plot summary/synopsis in case you didn't understand something in the show and can refer back to? I have seen sites put some out regularly but they aren't very detailed. Thanks!

Falcone is not the one refurbishing the asylum...they said that is going to Maroney along with the waste dump. So that goes back to this 3rd question? Why originally was Maroney's plan to tear down the Arkham Asylum completely but now it's part of his contract to refurbish the Asylum? Wouldn't the refurbishing and reopening of the Asylum be part of Falcone's contract since he wanted it reopened and not Maroney?

Can someone explain to me this part about the show with the ending? I'm confused... 1.) So that assassin did just work for both Falcone and Marone? He took orders from both of them to continually kill the other guy's councilman? Seems weird? 2.) Why is Bruce upset when Arkham Asylum is still going to be opened/refurnished just like his parents wanted? I know they wanted to tear it down and still build a new mental health facility but wasn't that what the old Arkham Asylum was, a mental health facility? 3.) Why originally was Maroney's plan to tear down the Arkham Asylum completely but now it's part of his contract to refurbish the Asylum? Wouldn't the refurbishing and reopening of the Asylum be part of Falcone's contract since he wanted it reopened and not Maroney?

Thanks so much Actionmage. Just out of curiosity...how could you tell that it's Maroni setting Arkham back up rather than Falcone? It seemed from what Falcone said to Fish that he had just as much intention to do it? I couldn't tell? Fish mentioned that Falcone was the one that closed it down correct? They said in a previous episode that Thomas Wayne was planning on reopening it himself before he died, correct? Wasn't Arkham on it's own island? That makes sense on Barbara...I was just confused because other people on threads are saying she is being set up perfect to play Batwoman's character but that lady's name was Kimberly Kane or something? Also I thought in some versions Jim Gordon was Batgirl's uncle and not father?

I'm so confused on something if someone doesn't mind clearing it up? 1.) Do we know yet who is starting up Arkham Asylum? Is it Marone or Falcone? It sounded like Marone was saying he was setting it back up but then when Falcone spoke to Fish later it sounded like it was his doing? 2.) I'm so confused on Barbara Gordon...Is she still being played as the mother of "Batgirl"? I heard someone mention her relationship with Montoya is being played perfectly for her casting as a different character named "Batwoman" who is a drug addict/lesbian or something? Which one is it? And I read that Jim Gordon's second wife in the comic books was named Sarah Essen...That's the Captain of the GCPD in this show? I'm so confused...

I posted this as an independent topic but it's not around anymore? Did the moderators delete it? First off does anyone know a good website that will have a complete recap and written plot outline of everything that happened? I know Wikipedia usually does that with some shows but I didn't see it in full detail for this first episode? That way if you are confused on it it explains what happens on that episode of the show? Not a review but actual plot outline of everything so that way you understand. Question 1: Who planted the evidence on Mario Pepper? Are we supposed to just not know exactly who it was but just think it was someone in the police department? But definitely not Harvey Bullock right? Or did Harvey Bullock know about the set up and was he also part of it with putting the pearls in Mario Pepper's house? Because when Bullock is on the phone with Fish she says she did him a favor? I'm confused? Question 2: So did Carmine Falcone actually hire the assassin that killed Bruce's parents or did he actually not have anything to do with it? I know he set up Mario Pepper but I was still confused on that part? Question 3: From what we can tell is this being set up as the Joker "Jack Napier"? Or Joe Chill? Question 4: Can we tell if this show is going to be based off the comic books storylines or the movies, specifically what storyline so all the characters and plot match up? Question 5: Why is Barbara "aka Batgirl" being conveyed as Jim Gordon's fiance when she has always been portrayed as his daughter?