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ETA: oops just realized Nidratime already posted it. Carry on.

I've just thought of a great new "reality" tv show. Kind of a cross between Survivor and The Amazing Race, Where random people are "transported" back in time and try to survive in that time period and try to get back to their time following clues. If they suck they get "killed" aka eliminated from the game. I think the first few people would have no idea what was going on and get eliminated when dumped in the middle of a battle like Claire and they don't react fast enough. Others would get farther along but probably eliminated as witches because they say too much, etc.

Fire bunny, I knew I should have paid more attention in Spanish class. Favorite part: this is going to be as disastrous as Washington sinking in the Delaware with all those shoes. At least we now know THAT's not Claire's fault.

Since there are a ton of stories about people traveling through the stones, MAYBE one of them screwed everything up and the universe sent Claire to right all their wrongs thus making Claire the saver of all history from 1740 something forward. And to thank her for all she did for the planet, the universe gave her (us) Hot Jamie to commiserate (consummate) with. ETA: stupid autocorrect.

Well then, pedicures and feet scaping will have to be a part of our by laws. Second breakfast is a given.

Tall, skinny, good looking hobbits right?!! With flowing hair and cute shoes? Then yes we can be middlelanders.

We need a name to describe those of us in the middle. Those who love the books, accepting there's going to be changes, have faith that the production team will do a great job but still want to express concern for the direction things are going (not for ourselves but because we want non readers of the books to love these characters as much as we do). We aren't Poutlanders (those who are upset over every change) and we aren't Newlanders (non book readers who love the show). So what are we?

"James Alexander Malcolm Mackenzie Fraser." -- Jamie "Sigh" --me

ITA completely Peacefrog. Although they sort of tried to established that in the beginning, she never had a home, never stayed in one place, couldn't even have a vase, only saw her husband a handful of times, always walking and exploring places by herself when Frank was ensconced somewhere with other people doing research, the proceeding episodes haven't carried that aspect on. It's not until she goes through the stones that she finally belongs to a steady group of people and gets respect for her healing powers. I think the first scene where she's saving the soldier's leg in 1940's then gets pushed aside by the doctor is very telling. After 5 years of being in the trenches she's pushed aside. But only after a few weeks with the Mckenzie's she's a valuable healer.I know it's hard to get all the nuances into a 1 hour show and not be boring but I hope they figure out how to convey why she's going to make the choices she does and why we as adoring fans have accepted those choices for 2 decades. That includes making Jamie more Jamie like and not just a side character, which is how he seems to me right now.

He was ecstatic and giddy with joy. His greatest artistic achievement that got away and has alluded him and all his men just appeared in his window. AND his favorite piece of art just announced he's married to his new favorite person to beat and torture. Alls good in Black Jack World. I thought his reaction was perfect and made him more scary than if he was shocked or fearful.

people who experience trauma don't always make sense right after it. Normal reactions include shock, anger, fear, blame etc. some people cry uncontrollably while others can laugh uncontrollably and appear to go insane. Some withdraw and others lash out. Maybe it was the physical assault (she wasn't raped but still assaulted) or the actual taking of a life (which I think was worse to her) or probably a combination of both, she was traumatized. And Whether it's accurate or not, Jamie promised to protect her and at that moment Claire, shocked, hurt, angry felt let down by him. It's normal. Usually with enough time and support the traumatized person comes to their senses and sees how things are more clearly. But it had only been moments/hours afterwards and she was in the lashing out stage.

Claire wasn't raped. Failed attempt. She needed him to be very close to the actual act so she had a better chance at killing him. Distraction and all. If she had attempted anything too soon he would have overcome her and the other guy would have shot Jamie. But she wasn't actually raped. Anger is a normal reaction in the aftermath of a traumatic experience. Usually the anger is turned on the one we love the most, feel the safest with because on a subconscious level we know they will forgive us of our anger/actions. In this case that would be Jamie. Plus, she felt Jamie let her down/failed her. Also a normal response in a traumatic situation. If they had more time they probably would have talked through it but they didn't have that time.

SandyToes, ITA about Claire. Plus, she's a nurse, who saves lives, not take them. And add to that she did it with thought and purpose. Yes, she had too but that would still wreak emotional havoc with anyone. I also agree with those who say the constant threat of rape was a part of that time. That's why women were not allowed outside their homes/farms/territory without escorts. We romanticise the olden days and forget the realities. Women ( and children) were just things. If they were precious things then they were cared for and protected. If they were not cared for and protected then in turn they were not precious and would be used any way a man wanted to. It still happens in many countries today. It still happens in our enlightened counties too. As far as the thought that this country was religious (catholic) they still stole each other's sheep and livestock, raided each other's villages, had hand fasting, celebrated pagan festivals, etc etc. all which are against the bible. And don't get me started on the inquisitions (in other countries by the same religious group). Religious standards applied when someone wanted them too and didn't apply when it didn't suit that person. The scene with the Deserters was more about disloyalty and being untrustworthy once someone betrays their vows than about it being all Red Coats are scum. And of course the overall Image of the Red Coats in this series (so far) is going to be negative. This story is told from the POV of Claire during the unpopular occupation of Scottland by the Red Coats. I'm sure if the POV was Black Jack's then the Red Coats would all be loyal saviors with beaming lights coming out of their heads and all Scots would be played by dirty mongrel dogs deserving of brutal beatings into submission. Of course that would be a different story.

After watching this episode all I can say is, that if I hadn't read the books I would be Team Frank. And that's really really awful in my book.

FORGET THE RING! If someone wants to make money they need to make a purse version of Claire's luggage.