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Pretty sure they haven't changed grades yet. I also thought B&C were sophomores, I was surprised when they said Brandon would be returning to senior year but it does make sense based on Callie's b'day. As we've not had a summer break yet I think they're just the youngest in their year. So far each season has only been about 2-3 months with a similar length jump in between.

A lot of people have been asking about the timeline and this is by no means official but I did work one out and as long as you discount the twins bday from Vigil (on their poem) then every other date given by the show works. I did draw up a diagram but I'll just summarise the relevant bits. Based on my timeframe we are currently in March/April - Brandon and Callie are 16 (Callie's bday is in July and in Over/Under they said Brandon was "nearly 17") so will both be turning 17 before their senior year but are the younger end of their year. Jesus and Mariana are both 15 with a birthday round about August/September (I'm no expert in American education cut offs but this would that make them the older end of freshmen?) and then Jude turned 13 in November. Also, based on 17 weeks I place Ana getting pregnant round about her time in the halfway house which would make sense. Father can't be the guy Mike killed as that would date it even before Lena's pregnancy. I genuinely think that showing Ana's bump so big in Over/Under was a mistake because Alex Barreto was pregnant and they didn't cover it well enough. Obviously this timeline is not confirmed but it suits my head canon and all the other times given (Lena's pregnancy length, Callie's "6 month" comment at Quinns, Callie's time out of Juvie a beginning of 1B etc.) check out with it. On another note, someone mentioned why Mike would have an interest in helping Ana. I have just been re-watching 2A and there was a lot of talk about Mike wanting another chance at fatherhood with Dani. I really think this is him trying to act on that craving, even though it's not his child or even that he has any romantic interest. His chances with Dani were blown (which in show time only happened within the last couple months). Considering the closest family to him are such advocates for fostering/adopting, maybe in his own way he sees an opportunity to fill that hole in that way. He was already helping Ana when he was with Dani - he had his hopes dashed and then there was Ana offering him a way of still having a role in someone's life, even if in a different way. I'm not saying it's right or that it isn't short sighted, but to me it's a believable psychology for someone who has been struggling to find his place for so long.

I think it's probably because the character already had her natural end to the story after the confrontation with Callie in 16 and she hasn't "left" anywhere in their world. Sure they used her as a villain in Metropolis but now she is just any other kid at the school who is not intersecting with the family. They would need to generate a reason to mention her rather than having a reason to explain away as she no longer has any connection to them anyway.

Yes - I think this was the wider impression. You are right to clarify that it wasn't just Brallie. I think I just lump the two together as it felt a little like Callie's not being there was because of the relationship. You are absolutely right that there was a lot of unhappiness with the Stef and Lena storyline too. I personally wasn't as bothered by that but I understand why many were. I am glad that we got the family focus back and that's why I'm confident that even if we go back to Brallie it won't necessarily be done in the way that was part of what upset the show so much. I'm not saying it won't still be polarising, but I'm certainly confident that it could be done in a less antagonising way. And thanks for the welcome.

Hiya! Been reading these boards for a while but only decided to post today so hello! Sorry if I have not got the quoting or replying figured out yet. Just to weigh in my two cents. The main reason I watch the show is for the family and the mom/kid interactions. I think they do them like no other show I've seen to be honest. The main reason I didn't like Brallie first time round was the huge shift of focus it caused. It was accused by some of becoming "The Brandon and Callie Show" and I could definitely sympathise with that. They tidied it up, maybe a little looser than I'd have liked, but personally I think the show learned from what I would say were mistakes and put forward a really strong 2A. On the back of that I'm not too worried about them revisiting it. Sure, I would rather it was gone for good, but as we ended with the kiss I think, as some have pointed out, there is room for reflection and in some ways it may be good to have a second opportunity for them to revisit this. It could potentially be towards a more conclusive end (my hope) or maybe they will take a different approach. As we have seen growth from both characters and it happened in a characteristic moment of desperation on Callie's part I would like to think that even if it is revisited it will be done in a more mature way than the last time and I think 2A has convinced me enough to trust the writers. My main issue with most of the pro-Brallie arguments is that even if we move away from the argument that they are not legally siblings and that Callie already has her role within the family, what happens if they break up a few years down the line? Where do loyalties lie? That would be my issue and why in my mind it is an unhealthy relationship. It's not whether Callie is bound to the family by Jude or not, if this is any indication that Brandon and Callie have found it so hard to separate after 3 kisses then facilitating them and encouraging them to have a full blown relationship would be pretty poor guidance as at the end of it Brandon is secure in that family and Callie is not. A messy break up which is an incredibly likely possibility for teen romance would leave poor Callie alienated or at least in an incredibly awkward situation. I'm not saying she'd be kicked out but whether the family intended or not it would likely cause a huge emotional stress. I can't see any parent ever encouraging that possibility, even if just a possibility. I don't buy that you can't push past feelings, especially at 16. The risks outweigh the gain in my mind. You can channel those feelings into another form of a relationship (such as Mike and Stef) and that is much easier to do at early stages. Personally I see a deep connection with Brandon and Callie that could survive beyond a romantic one and I would be much more interested to see that. If the show chooses to go down the Brallie road then I will accept it. It's TV land and I'm not naive, I know they would try and make it work one way or another but I will find it hard to rationalise with real life - something the show does pretty well on most other storylines so I personally think it would be a shame. Also, just to comment on the ratings - my interpretation based on the comments from back then was the ratings slide post 16 was not based on the Brallie break up. The pro-Brallie comments were as strong as ever and I saw no indication that people were leaving due to them breaking up. What it seemed people objected to about 16 was that 15 gave hope that Brallie would be over and the show would be moving on and back to the family focus but then episode 16 was still extremely Brandon/Callie centric even if not together and I think a lot of people lost hope. Compounded with dislike of the sperm donor storyline and a feeling that the aftermath was a bit slapdash, you could see the interest from the adult demographic waning. It may have been just the vocal minority but the most common opinion I could see was that it lost its way. 2A however has refocussed back to full family (something that wasn't possible throughout 1B) and maintained steady ratings. I am not stating this as fact, just interpretation and obviously one that is not immune to bias. Anyhow, sorry for so much. Personally I am extremely optimistic for 2B as I think 2A has been super!