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  1. The first part of the episode dragged because the "trivia contest" trope just annoys me in general. I thought the rest of the episode was pretty good. I thought the David mistaken identity thing mostly hit the right notes.

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  2. 1 hour ago, opus said:
      Reveal spoiler

    Yes. I believe I read he’s played by Pete Holmes

    So, I see on the show it’s May 2022.

    Or Gurgs just likes the guy in the May photo.

    When MR said "the guy said that almost never happens" I finally laughed at a non-Fielding line.

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  3. 24 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

    Well if you want to be honest the last few seasons of the original Night Court was The John Larroquette Show.    He is the big star of the reboot so it’s not surprising that the show is focusing on Dan and Abby as the A story.    I am however enjoying the rest of the cast and even on the third episode everything is coming together nicely.   

    I kind of meant the 1993 show where John Larroquette played a recovering alcoholic bus station manager. This time, Abby is the recovering alcoholic.

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  4. This episode kind of took a turn into The John Larroquette Show, but I'm here for it. I can definitely see that there were about two more episodes before this since more times seems to have passed and they kind of put Abby's motivation right out there. 

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  5. On 10/15/2022 at 12:12 AM, aemom said:

    Have you read the short story by Philip K. Dick that the movie was based on? Excellent, as are many of his stories.

    No. I haven't even read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" when I borrowed it in college (I gave it back).

  6. On 9/21/2022 at 1:56 PM, quangtran said:

    When all the critics mentioned a twist in the first episode, it became easy to figure it out because Steven Levitan did family related twists in the pilot of his last two major shows, like the main news anchors having a kid in Back To You and that three families in Modern Family actually being one big family.

    Then there's "Just Shoot Me" which was about a daughter and her estranged father working together. They were both writers.

    It seems like one of the aspects of this show is that while execs want "edgy" they end up doing the same things that make money. Hulu backed the Timberly casting because of audience demographics and they probably know that funny Step Right Up will do better than dark sarcastic Step Right Up.

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  7. 6 hours ago, Artsda said:

    Good pointing out Kirby and Amanda share a sibling. 

    For that matter, so do Kirby and Adam. I guess she likes to keep it in the family.

    9 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

    BUT- now that it's over, can someone explain to me if Adam was actually related to the Carringtons?  I still do not understand that whole storyline.

    Adam was the "lost" Carrington who was kidnapped as a baby by his "mother" (the one he basically poisoned when he found out he was a Carrington). He is a full sibling to Fallon and Amanda.

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  8. I have to say, for a uneven show, this was a pretty satisfying finale. I was pretty sure Steven was Graham after plastic surgery, so the Mission Impossible twist was a fun surprise. Also, Adam ends up back where he started, except with a fake real British accent.

    The time jump also seemed likely since they just did one and it's a finale. So, this season took place over about 18 months. No really big changes with the rest of the family, which is fine because Fallon and others generally bored me anyway. 

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  9. I looked up the actress who played Lysella and thought "oh, she was a vampire on Legacies." Then again, "Majority Rule" aired almost 5 years ago and she was on Legacies last season.

    I'm a little less hopeful on more seasons of Orville. This was kind of a vanity project for MacFarlane and Fox would have given him anything for more Family Guy. Now that it's part of the Disney empire, I think it's headed into the sunset.

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  10. The matter synthesis thing is kind of an interesting thought experiment, but a machine that makes things might not solve the need for land or energy. Even travel would be an issue on Earth 2022. Even the idea of reputation as value is kind of wonky if you really think about it. Original Trek delved into the Prime Directive stuff a couple of times and came to the conclusion that the natural development of a culture is important, even if giving technology to a planet wouldn't lead to nuclear annihilation.

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  11. The last thing I saw on The Orville was a fast-forward through yet another Gordon song done to montage. I should be glad there wasn't an unanswered  cliffhanger, but there was a lot of callbacks. Weird Moclan ceremony, Isaac taking bad advice from John, Planet Reddit, finale with Alana, check. That being said, I didn't hate the episode. It was kind of their version of "Data's Day" spread out over a week.

    If this is the end of The Orville, I think it ended on a good note.

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  12. On 7/14/2022 at 5:18 PM, kariyaki said:

    I was thinking Kevlar suit with a hole in the crotch. At the very least, I’m sure John was glad that Talla never broke his dick. 

    That's more of a story for "The Boys."

    On 7/14/2022 at 11:53 PM, Athena5217 said:

    This episode reminded me of a Star Trek TNG episode called Angel One that had a plot involving a matriarchal society. 
     

    Angel One came to mind, as well as the movie Bicentennial Man, which had a better outcome for the robot. 

    2 hours ago, arjumand said:

    That bit with the kids was really overdone and hammering the point home - you're telling me these kids went from "I want to take K1 to school" directly to "Let's torture K1 for fun!" ?

    And yes, literally everyone had a robot servant? Everyone. What about babies, did they torture the Kaylons for fun, too?

    I felt like this episode's message was "Genocide is ok because they were asking for it, even the kids!" But it's wrong to kill all humans, because they weren't the ones who tortured them.

    And I still hate Charley. So much. Even though I kind of agree with her this episode (DAMMIT) - because no amount of sad robot collapses are going to convince me that genocide is ok.

    Ironically, the Gen 1 Kaylon seem to have some emotions regarding biological life. Isaac was able to see that humans / Union members were not inclined to torture and subjugate other races, but the older Kaylons drew this line where empathy only applied to other robots. Kaylons may actually have feelings but suppressed them and upgraded the new Kaylons not to have them.

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  13. 6 hours ago, iMonrey said:

    I admit it was fun seeing the actor who plays Isaac. Posts upthread indicate we've seen him before? I don't remember when. My question is, is it Mark Jackson inside the Isaac robot suit every week and his voice? Or just one or the other? Typically, the guy in the robot suit is not the same person doing the voice. Those are generally two different talents.

    I'm confused though. At the beginning of this episode, the Kaylons have destroyed a space station orbiting earth. At the end of the episode when they jump back to the future, the space station is just fine. Did they change something to prevent the destruction of the space station? Or was that another space station? What did I miss here? I kind of figured they jumped back to a point in time before the station was destroyed and would warn everyone about the impending attack but nothing came of it.

    I agree it was unnecessarily cruel to tell Gordon and his wife, right in front of their young son no less, that they were going to jump back 10 years and prevent this from ever happening. They could have just walked away and let them think they were leaving things as is. It just made them look like assholes.

    I'm also surprised they didn't notice Gordon's wedding ring on the drive back to his house - I did. But maybe that's not a thing in the 25th century. 

    The destroyed space station was orbiting a different planet. Earth was a space dock they went to get repairs after the time travel damage.

  14. I mentioned one of my favorite time travel movies being Paycheck is kind of a cheat because a person doesn't physically travel in time. The time part is the ability to see the future, which is more likely than actually popping into the future. In that case, the "future" could be changed.

    Ironically, Strange New Worlds did a time manipulation plot line and came to the conclusion that knowledge of the future allows you to change it, but probably not for the better.

    The Orville had this device since the pilot and the time travel device is a combination of human genius and Kaylon knowledge, which is also an indication that the Kaylon should embrace biological life forms. So far, this season has been full of callbacks and I think the time device will be back.

  15. 6 minutes ago, Lugal said:

    The multiverse theory says that every divergence point results in a new timeline and that when Gordon changed the past, it either changed the future or it jumped everyone from one timeline to another.  So on some branch Gordon and his family could continue in 2025.

    I tend to believe that timelines can be self-healing and even cross back over to a certain degree.  I've seen alternate history types refer to "holms" in regards to timelines that branch off only to reconnect to the main timeline.  It looked like Gordon tried to lead a quiet life as a pilot and his changes to the timeline didn't really change things all that much, so I could see it as more of a holm than a alternate timeline.

    That would be a paradox, a la "If Gordon isn't there to send the message how will they know to go to the past to retrieve him?"  Unless, it's part of the Orville's continuous timeline, from their perspective. (Avengers: Endgame kinda of touched on this idea) like when we watched the episode as it went from the beginning to the end in a linear way, despite the fact that they jumped all over the timeline.

    Like Quantum Physics, a lot of time travel rules come down to the perspective of the observer and where the "Now" is, which gets into a destiny vs. free will debate.  From Laura's perspective, her future is unwritten so if she wants to marry Gordon and have a family with him, why not?  From the perspective of the Orville crew, everything she did happened 400 years earlier and shouldn't be messed with.  As to who is right, that's a philosophical discussion.

    Avengers applied the "time heist" theory. They minimized the change to the sequence of history by returning the items when they were done with them. Then Cap changed things anyway. Some shows basically close the loop with a bootstrap theory anyway. So, Orville sees Gordon in the history books, retrieves him and no more Gordon in the past. In terms of the show, I'm pretty sure Gordon and Laura continued and he made sure to cover his tracks so history would look like he wasn't there.

    This whole thing about time firming up is negated by Orville's own rules. Kelly was sent back into the past, remembered things because the memory block failed, didn't date Ed and changed history so the Kaylons took over the galaxy. They were still able to get to the Orville and use the time machine to fix things years after.

  16. 2 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

    I think the better comparison is to "The City on the Edge of Forever," with Laura as Gordon's Edith Keeler. The difference is that Laura wasn't supposed to die in order to restore the timeline. She was simply never supposed to have hooked up with Gordon in 2015 and married him in 2018 because Gordon was never supposed to have gone back to 2015. So Ed was right that 2025 Gordon's family and life there were never  supposed to have existed because Gordon should never have been in 2015 to begin with, which means that Gordon was never "ripped" from anything. Since he was rescued in 2015, there was nothing to "rip" him from. That's why his reaction upon hearing what happened in 2025 was so blasé regarding the whole thing.

    Not really better because my example had to do with the impact progeny had when you consider an individual's contribution to history. Then again, I'm not a big fan of "City" or Harlan Ellison in general.

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  17. 7 minutes ago, supposebly said:

    I think that TV in general makes too light of the impact one would have by time traveling backwards. Just by being there, things can change and they snowball very quickly. So, I'm on board with the harshness because we don't ever know what and how we influence things. I sympathize with 2025 Gordon but again, no man is an island and now there are children that weren't there before.

    Someone simply could have seen Charly and Isaac on their bikes and decided in that moment to learn how to ride one. And then dying on one insead of having 10 children where one would solve world hunger. Or do something simple like having more children. That now do not exist. It's not just interacting, simply being there is bad enough.

    However, they really should have only picked him up earlier. That trip to 2025 was necessary for the macguffin material to fix the time machine but Kelly's and Ed's trip was not. The moment they realize he made a life, they should have tried to get back to earlier. It was good TV but bad planning on their side.

    The original Star Trek did an episode like this (Tomorrow Is Yesterday) where they transported a pilot out of a destroyed aircraft. They weren't going to let him go back because he knew about "the future" now, but then Spock found out his future son was going to be a famous astronaut. They figured out some way to fix things when they went forward in time.

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  18. 44 minutes ago, Dani said:

    Good point. It would be possible with the time travel theory that each change causes time to branch. So 2025 Gordon would still be in The Orville’s past to send the message. Of course that’s inconsistent with the rest of the episode. 

    I like time travel plots but the one thing I really dislike is when they come up with rules about it, make a big deal about those rules and then can’t be bothered to consistently follow their own rules. 

    There's a fan theory now that because of the sandwich discussion and the whole 1 month vs. 6 month thing, they're setting up for a return of alternate Gordon. It would also make sense if Gordon changed his and his family's name so that there was no clear evidence in the history books.

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