Rae Spellman

Lucas talked to Mika and Simone about it. Before he acknowledged it, he asked Yasuda if she thought he had ADHD? Then, it was in the opener of his "don't marry Trey" speech.

Did he watch other seasons? Most of the traitors absolutely sabotaged each other. So even if Phaedra wasn't inclined to do that, it was a reasonable fear. What I've heard a couple of cast members say is that at some point before Dan's banishment, Phaedra was on their ever changing "could be" list. So, Dan moved her from "who knows" to probably, not from "definitely a faithful" to probably. Also, it seems that some people didn't believe him! Dan should have recruited Peter and murdered MJ or Sandra. Phaedra likely respond to those choices the same way she responded to Dan's choices with Pavarti and Bergie. Peter is still the very attractive, charismatic guy with the ability to lead a cult or run the castle that Phaedra said he was. But, by recruiting Peter early on, his influence might be redirected. Or Phaedra and Dan could lay back and let him implode. Phaedra could also lay back and let Dan or Peter take the other out. A Bachelor/Housewife traitor win with Bergie and Sheree as the duped faithfuls is possible, too if Dan is still the first traitor out and Peter/Phaedra's recruit(s) are the subsequent traitors out before the meeting at the fire. As a bonus, MJ isn't upset with CT and Trishelle at the reunion.

Right. Near the end, and in post-show interviews, CT has pretty consistently said that he didn't trust the non-Trishelle competitors. At the circle of fire, he said that Trishelle was the only person with whom he felt "comfortable" sharing the pot of gold. Even when talking about Phaedra in interviews he talks about her batting her eyelashes at him and more or less suggests that the thought she might be playing him and doesn't know how real any of it was. Peter mentioned that being banished hurts because it means that your peers turned on you. In this interview MJ said she decided to banish Peter because he kicked her out the room. Even though the bachelor didn't let MJ hang with him and his crew and no one lit her torch, MJ made it to the final three. She thought she proved herself. Only for CT and Trishelle, to reject her. Folks want Trishelle and CT to admit that they're greedy. But the money is incidental. To them and to MJ. MJ is hurt because they rejected her. They denied her the opportunity to be The Traitors US Season 2 co-winner. CT and Trishelle saying that they wanted an extra $40k or whatever isn't going to change the fact that MJ was proud to make it to the end. Then instead of allowing MJ to win in a game where she'd been rejected by multiple other contestants twice, CT and Trishelle made the finale all about them and their relationship with EACH OTHER.

Phaedra explicitly stated that the people who made it to the end were the people she was okay with winning. If that's okay, then it's okay that the people CT wanted to win actually won. I was a fan of Peter and a couple of the Pals. Therefore, I'm thrilled that the faithful that voted to banish Peter were banished or murdered! MJ voted out Sandra, Peter, and plenty of other Faithfuls. On a show called The Traitors, MJ shouldn't be shocked that her two coworkers decided that they didn't want to split the prize money with her after a few weeks on the job. Especially if MJ didn't figure out how to build the types of relationships with CT and Trishelle that they built with Phaedra. At the end of the day, being team Bravolebrity wasn't enough. Just like being a Pal wasn't enough. Trishelle won because she connected with Phaedra, CT, and the Pals. CT won because Peter decided CT wasn't a Traitor and he connected with Phaedra and Trishelle.

Yep. Plus, there's no guarantee that Barbara could find a church that's a better fit. Even if the other women in a new church embraced Barbara, she might still feel like an outsider if they have decades old relationships while she's the new girl. Someone who has worked at the same challenging school for decades might be inclined to stay where she is and make it work.

Hopefully Phaedra's more selfish than skillful gameplay results in Sandra and remaining Bravolebrities losing, too. Phaedra is entertaining. But the quips about the rose, doing too little, and talking too much apply to her, too. She verbally attacks those that don't kiss her ass for a rose. Kate did too much at that last round table because Phaedra did too little. Bravolebrities didn't need to hold closed door meetings. Their traitor angel wasn't going to kill them and they didn't seem that motivated to vote out actual traitors. Sandra claimed on multiple podcasts that Peter was a traitor to the faithful. As if the Bravolebrities weren't traitors to the non-Bravolebrities faithful. As if Sandra wasn't a traitor to any faithful that wasn't her. Trishelle was a Pal who didn't blindly follow Peter. She wanted to get out actual traitors, not just people who weren't in her clique. CT was Phaedra's castle daddy and he was honest with Peter about his suspicions, willing to change his mind when new evidence presented itself, and willing to call MJ out for being obtuse. The most satisfying ending for me would be Kate murdering Sheree, CT, Trishelle and MJ voting to banish Kate and Sandra thinking they are traitors, and then CT and Trishelle banishing MJ at the circle of fire just because. Tangential Note: Sandra also mentioned that Phaedra and Trishelle had an early untelevised chat where Trishelle mentioned never winning anything. So, when Phaedra said that the people left at the round table were the people she wanted to be there, she meant Trishelle, too.

As long as the rules allow it, a traitor throwing another traitor under the bus for the benefit of their own game doesn't seem worse than the faithful voting out someone they are pretty sure is a faithful. It's a game. Most of those people have known each other less than a week. In Dan's position, or even Kate's I wouldn't be terribly motivated to do almost all of the heavy lifting and protect Phaedra. While Peter is sanctimonious and loves a closed-door meeting, as the cast make the podcast rounds, they mention time Peter spent with non-Pals and even an early, short-lived non-Pal alliance. At this point I'm rooting for John, CT, Sheree, or MJ to win.

Probably. On some podcast someone said that the rule was that when trying to convince the others that they are a faithful, a traitor can cast suspicion on one of the other traitors. But, once it's been confirmed that they are a traitor, identifying other traitors is against the rules. In this interview, he more or less says he wasn't trying to be like Arie. He figured if he made it to the end with Phaedra, she would likely throw him under the bus.

Lauren. Maybe she thought MAFS would find her a Greg, Woody. Or even a Vincent.

Hopefully, the second half of the season wraps up the series. This show is so tragic. The preacher laundered money for the gangster, stopped, and then was murdered. The talented girl gamer hides guns for a murderer while the guy she taught a few tricks makes enough money to support himself in high school. The girl who could have gone to Pepperdine on a track scholarship was exploited by her coach and a drug dealer before getting abducted. She chooses the guy with three kids over the sweet guy who works at the thrift shop. The rich guy works for and gets beat up by the gangster. He pays a bunch of money for his daughter to go to private school. The daughter decides that college is a scam and she'd rather be a manager for rapper with 1 song and another rapper who might be transient, is definitely shady, and apparently has $10K to spare. The boy gamer witnesses a murder, shoots someone, has someone hold a gun to his head while he looks for his sister, has one mentor killed, and is in love with a girl who bullied him, stole his bike, and maybe assaulted him when they were younger. The reporter moved in with and fell in love with the murdering politician who might have to go back to murdering because the black sheep was a terrible shot. That said, a show about a kid from the south side of Chicago who moves to Los Angeles to become a gamer could be interesting. If it was lighter than The Chi.

Even if JR misses Cape Cod League, maybe he'll recover and get to attend the All American Universe's version of HBCU Swingman Classic during MLB All Star Week at some point before he graduates. Instead of having Thea go pro, Damon could have gone pro. He could have been drafted by the Braves, or some other team with a minor league team in the Atlanta metro, and spent plenty of time with his brother and/or Simone. He could even take classes at Bringston in the off season.

Also, neither one of them should have been at work. Presumably Simone had the whole day off for her wedding and the reception. After Lucas was assaulted at work, it would have been reasonable for someone to take an incident report and send him home. Of course, Grey Sloan is a terrible employer. Apparently the chief can't even take an hour or two off to go to the dentist. They let Kwan continue to work after he was assaulted at work. When Amelia acknowledged that she was in the wrong for verbally abusing Yasuda, Richard excused it. Richard tried to guilt trip Nick into going to Boston so he could see someone who wasn't even nominated win. After the person who recruited him for his current position abandoned the rebuilding program. Apparently Trey was able to take a couple of days off at least twice to fly from Baltimore to Seattle. But, Simone didn't event take a few hours off to see a non-Mika seamstress. She went cake tasting for Trey's wedding cake with the other man! Team Skywalker or not, Trey deserved better.

Trey told Simone that Lucas was going to drag her down, get saved by his family name and Trey wasn't going to be there to help Simone pick up the pieces. Even though Simone lives in Lucas' aunt's house, got a second chance at interning at Lucas' aunt's hospital AND Trey didn't head to Seattle to see Simone until AFTER she started new friendships and found attending surgeons who "saw" and respected her. Based on what we've seen/heard, even with that fiasco at the end of the finale, Simone was more likely to fall apart with no one to help her pick up the pieces with Trey than she was/is with Lucas. In Seattle she's developing friendships with Jules and Mika. She described having no one other than Trey in Baltimore. Non-legacy interns get into and out of a lot at Grey Sloan. Nick told Lucas he was capable of making his own name. Lucas seems to be more like Meredith or Jackson than like Jackson's dad. Early on they, their parent, or their peers thought they were nepo babies who weren't up to continuing the family legacy. Then, they fond their footing and become well regarded in their own right. Meredith went from Ellis calling her a disappointment to winning a Harper Avery. Jackson went from being the pretty boy that the family supposedly didn't expect much of to having Mark fighting for him to join the plastics posse. Even if Lucas was more like Jackson's dad than Jackson or Meredith, Catherine turned out just fine post Robert Avery. Simone is the Miranda Bailey of her class. It's likely that she'll recover from whatever disaster Grey Sloan and Lucas Adams throw her way. On another note, I wonder if Grandma really liked Trey before the first break up and her cognitive decline or if she, and Dewane really thought he was okay rather than super, duper awesome and pretended to like him because Simone seemed so convinced that it was meant to be.

Weren't Meredith and Maggie both involved with DeLuca?

The show is entertaining enough. Bria (emotional support animal German) invited Phil (pooped and wouldn't flush the toilet) to the house. After the house decided to kick Phil out, Bria decided that if her friend had to go, Jasmine's (arranged the house) friend Mariah (affirmations, moon mass) also needed to leave the house for the reasons @swankie noted. After Mariah left, Amir admitted that he was the one responsible for the laundry mix up. New people arrive next week.

This is helpful. Did Amelia also skip a bunch a grades and finish college/med school at an accelerated pace despite the teenage drug use? From what I remember, Izzy, George, and April were born around '80. Amelia seemed more than 1-3 years ahead of them professionally, too. Then again, Sam was 44 in episode 17 and 43 in the finale. So time and age are fluid on Grey's. Maggie and Amelia may not have a sisters before misters rule. Winston saw what happened with Link. He knows Richard is probably the only guy Amelia treats decently. If he finds himself entangled with Amelia despite all of that, hopefully it's incredibly brief and something along the lines of what Jo and Jackson or Shane and Cristina had.

The sister thing is whatever. Amelia is Maggie's biological sister's sister in law. Maggie dated her biological father's stepson. Handholding notwithstanding, Amelia maintained that there was "some truth" to her assertion that Winston is small, a coward, and inferior to Maggie. In this episode alone Amelia cared more about Derek's legacy than Meredith actually curing Altzheimers. She wasn't even in the room when the Catherine Fox Award winner was announced. Winston deserves better. If he really needs a new love interest, Vic from Station 19 should be available soon. The lawyer with breast cancer appreciates attractive doctors. Maybe one of Mika's seven sisters is single. Jules, or almost anyone in the Seattle metropolitan area would be a better choice than Amelia. The timeline on this show is fuzzy. Amelia seemed fairly established when she first appeared in season 7. Meredith was still a resident and became an attending in season 9. Maggie was born in November 1983 when Meredith was around 5. Winston was Maggie's resident. But, she skipped enough grades that he could be her age. Basically, if it's '23 in Grey's universe, Amelia should be 50ish and like @statsgirl said, older than Winston. And Link.

Maybe. If they had a ceremony and didn't file a signed marriage certificate, an annulment might not have been needed. But, Simone looked miserable walking down the aisle though. Trey saw it. Jules saw it. There was a lot going on with that plot. The guy who doesn't fit in with his family. The girl who didn't fit in at her internship. The guy who didn't want to lose the girl to the guy with the medical pedigree. Awful Amelia more or less told us that Gen-X Shepherds are horrible relatives. But, the messaging that Lucas, a twenty-something medical school graduate is a failure, or the black sheep of his family because he wasn't accepted to the best residency and/or isn't a phenom is terrible. What exactly did Lucas mother, aunts, uncles, siblings, or cousins do by their late twenties that he isn't already doing? It's also a rewrite of the Jackson Avery "they don't think I'm as great as my grandfather or mother because I'm pretty" story. The great Shepherd medical legacy, like the Grey, Fox, and Avery legacies isn't even necessarily older than Lucas.

Birds died. Zippers broke. Simone's second engagement started and ended with her and Lucas minutes away from taking each other's clothes off. Lucas told her he'd do anything for her. Yasuda is still Team Skywalker. Of course Simone left Trey at the altar. Amelia had the audacity to tell Winston that he should have put his love for Maggie before his career. When Winston tried to do exactly that, Maggie told him that she didn't respect it! Then, Maggie put her career before her love for Winston. Seriously, Jo? Sleeping with a stranger months before she starts her internship is totally different from flirting with a recovering patient. Hopefully Winston and Nick stay at Grey Sloan. Jules and Lucas need their mentorship. If they really want to be with those terrible sisters, they can talk to can talk to Richard or Miranda about long distance marriage/relationships. If Sam dies, at least he found out that Kelly and Kwame named their fourth child after him before the end. They could have added a second award. One for Miranda and the other for one of the nominees.

This Trey seems more snobbish striver than old money snob. Maybe they'll get far enough into the wedding ceremony for us to hear the officiant refer to him by his legal first name. As a fan of Hallmark movies, terrible romance novels, and ridiculous fluff I appreciate the Lucas and Simone of it all. He takes a skateboard and soccer ball to work. She was a figure skater. Her sister resents her because their mother died giving birth to her. His family is disappointed in him. He makes great breakfast sandwiches. She notices and gets excited when he succeeds at work. But, seriously, if Jules and Lucas were better person of honor options for Simone than everyone Simone met growing up in Seattle, everyone she met in college and medical school, every roommate, everyone from her residency, and all of her extended family, then of course she'd meet her great love at Grey Sloan. Just like Meredith, Miranda, Callie, and April before her! Hopefully, Schmidt gets eight weeks of vacation, too.

Frank's Where Are They Now? is online.

Miranda dumped Nurse Eli for anesthesiologist Ben. Of course Bailey probably got credit for Nurse Eli's fistula cure because she was the surgeon. This was when Teddy was married to that patient, Henry so he could have health insurance. Good for Lucas for deciding not to attend the wedding. Even though I was hoping that grandma remembered Lucas and not Trey. Or remembers them both and made it clear to Simone that Lucas was the better choice. What's Simone's plan if she marries this Trey guy? He looks down on Grey Sloan. So surely he isn't going to transfer. Will they have a long distance marriage? Even when apologizing Amelia was inconsiderate. Winston was outside the hospital and suggested that they talk "tomorrow." Probably he was ready to go home and wasn't up for listening to the woman who told him that she would never forgive his smallness. Of course, Amelia decided/insisted that she had to complete that stop on the Amelia Shepherd apology tour right then. He stopped, listened, and then left. During last night's episode he listened to her when she said congratulations. Even though he didn't speak to her either time, he looked at her and let her finish saying what she had to say before he left.

Yep. Blue is paying for his mother's medical debt. Maggie didn't offer him keys to Meredith's house so that he could save on housing expenses. Teddy and them didn't offer him a grant to help him pay his debts faster. They didn't give Jules free housing with her peers, either. Mika is living FOR FREE in Lucas' aunt's home and is so resentful that he has affluent, well-regarded relatives and can afford fancy breakfast sandwiches that she keeps calling him nepo baby. It's not his fault that several of his relatives worked at the sometimes terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Grey Sloan and one of them offered him a chance to complete his residency there. Now if his mother or one of his other aunts got him an internship at their presumably better hospitals, those residents might have reason to be upset. But Grey Sloan is understaffed and rebuilding. Someone they've been trying to get to return to the hospital is tending bar! Owen only recently got his license back. It's unlikely that Lucas Shepherd Adams took a spot from a better candidate. The only time Mika wasn't my least favorite intern was when she told Lucas she was Team Skywalker in the fight for Simone's heart.

Teddy, Owen, Simone, and a few others called from hospital phones. The direct number probably wouldn't show up on caller ID. Hopefully the doctors and fire fighters who used their own phones blocked their numbers before making the calls. Simone lived with her grandmother before moving into the intern house. At some point her car broke down. Jules lives with Max because it's cheaper than other options. The money Mika sends to her parents seems to be the difference between getting by on a modest salary and eating donuts from a dumpster. Lucas' situation is odder. He lived at the hospital and told Amelia that the place he found was a roach infested hostel. It's very likely that he doesn't have student loans because his mother/parents paid for his education. Maybe he's trying to live off his own income.

Nathalie's financial habits seem about as questionable after the show as they were on the show.