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On 2/11/2017 at 3:06 PM, atlantaloves said:
Can somebody help me and tell me if this was the last episode of the season? Thanks a million folks!
From the Futon Critic(most accurate; often referenced by Wiki):
MADAM SECRETARY
Air Date: Sunday, March 05, 2017
Time Slot: 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EST on CBS
Episode Title: (#MS314) "Labor of Love"MADAM SECRETARY
Air Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017
Time Slot: 9:00 PM-10:00 PM EST on CBS
Episode Title: (#MS315) "Break in Diplomacy" -
After Henry took the job with the Defense department, he was required to work with DIA, but he did not want to be a spy or handler. He helped to profile a perfect candidate for the Russian military intrusion, but he was conflicted over the assignment from the beginning. The original candidate the DIA selected was chosen because of his sexual orientation and not for the right reason which Henry was totally against from the start. The story about the two Russian soldiers was used to show the dark side of intelligence work which consequences Henry was not prepared to handle. Henry was not responsible for any deaths. Dalton is the one who blinked and caused the eventual “Greater Good" outcome that hurt Dmitri.
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3 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
Well, she said to Henry "you married a spy" in the S1 finale, so I would assume she was already in the CIA when they got married. He, at least, knew that she would be in the CIA. Still, they also had the fight in the same episode because he didn't want her to go do Iraq as, after she pointed out he married a spy, he replied that he had married one with a desk job.
It was not as simple as her having a desk job. Henry didn't want her to go to Iraq because she would be leaving behind three young children for at least a year. Henry told her that she could change the world from where she stands and he could not guarantee that things would remain the same when she returned. Bess told Henry the same thing about changing the world years later after she became SoS and he was prepared to lie at the Senate hearing over the classified material issue to keep her out of jail.
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22 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:
Looooooooved the Jay/Abby stuff. People who do Jay's job (or the basic equivalent in other areas of the government) have a crazy high divorce rate and the show did a great job showing how two people that love each other like Jay and Abby might still hit an impasse in their relationship due to the rigors of his job, a job that Abby can't, in any good conscience, ask him to give up. Really well done stuff there. I'm sappy enough that I hope that they work things out, but I loved the realism of how it was handled so far.
The Jay/Abby conversation scene at the end of the episode displayed the epitome of the vision driving the series created by Barbara Hall. I hope the segment means the writers will further develop that theme in the remainder of this season rather than the foolishness that continues with the Daisy relationship issues. I feel that the storyline about the Nobel Peace prize rumor for Elizabeth was more of a projection on the now defunct SoS who is thankfully out of that position after the last US election. The political drama around the Iran peace discussions is wearing very thin after 2+ seasons. The Iranian leadership will never recognize the right of Israel to exist or cut ties with Hamas. Likewise, Israel will never confirm the existence of its nuclear weapons. A soccer game will never change those facts.
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6 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
I think that depends on how you apply the word essential. He is essential to making the show work as it is now. He is not essential in the grand scheme of things.
Could they write him out and keep the show going with only Bess/Leoni? Absolutey. Could they do it the other way around? No. Could they replace both Bess and Henry - definitely. It's called Madam Secretary. There are no specifics. As for the chances of survival for a show with Bess and without Henry (Castle without Beckett) or a show about a different Madam Secretary... well... I don't know. But the former may actually have a lesser chance than the latter. There are a lot of people who love the show because of the family aspect, so replacing one family with another could work better, depending on who the actors are and what the story is.That said, I don't want any replacement. As I've said before, I wouldn't mind if they took Henry down a notch again and turn him back into S1 Henry but I definitely want to keep him on the show and I also want to keep most of the others. :-)
Totally Agree. I overlook the super-hero stuff for the most part and enjoy the family dynamic and the comedy.
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17 minutes ago, CheshireCat said:
I didn't ask what renewal and cancellation were. I asked where the difference is because this is your quote:
So, you obviously say not being renewed isn't the same as being cancelled and I wondered where the difference is because, in my understanding, not being renewed means a show is cancelled.
As far as Henry is concerned - yes, his role became more sizeable but I think the point is that he is essential to the show. Many love that we get the McCords at home and many love that they have a functioning marriage and you cannot do that without Henry. You can do that with Henry in a limited capacity and that would be fine. His role does not need to be sizeable, but he does need to be there.
The original post was confusing and I have corrected the post to the following "I posted that the series might not be renewed which is not a gross overreaction". Any further discussion of Henry's role is just being argumentative because I understand many here don't like his character as defined by the show runner.
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33 minutes ago, CooperTV said:
The show would look exactly how it looked in season 1 when Prof. Capt. Arm Candy was just an Arm Candy and was writing a book on St. Augustine. Because the main character of the show is Elizabeth McCord, the titular Madam Secretary, not her Gary Stu of a husband.
Here we go again. There is no question that Elizabeth(Mary Sue) McCord is the lead of the show. Still, Tim Daly's role on MS is sizable and the series would be very different if the character were cut out or not around as much.
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12 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
What is the difference between cancellation and not being renewed?
You must be kidding. TV media outlets continually report on what ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox and CW networks have cancelled, renewed or which have been given a full episode order depending on weekly ratings. Tim Daly's role on MS is sizable and the series would be very different if the character were cut out or not around as much. The original reports about his skiing accident were much exaggerated, but if he required a long absence from the show, it could impact any CBS decision to continue next season. However, the show is not going to shut down or go on hiatus while he recuperates which is great news for the rest of Season 3.
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15 hours ago, secnarf said:
Yes I saw that later on - but I was responding to speculation from people here that they must be nearly done the season in order for this to not halt production, or lead to cancellation of the series. Both of which would be gross overreactions IMO.
I posted that the series might not be renewed which is not a gross overreaction. The original reporting that he had suffered two broken legs was an exaggeration and it would be a serious injury for someone his age and it would require a long rehab. A broken ankle is not a broken leg.
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5 hours ago, secnarf said:
I don't think he is important enough to warrant halting production. IMO only Elizabeth/Tea Leoni is important enough to warrant halting production in the event that she was unable to film. Everyone else can be explained-away or spoken to over the phone and not actually seen.
If Tim Daly is able to do scenes sitting (with his extended leg hidden by cleverly placed tables and camera angles) or lying down in bed, that's even better. They even have the option of writing in his injury, if need be. They can either do something like an on-screen car accident as someone suggested, or start off an episode with Bess bringing Henry home from the hospital, legs in casts, lamenting his clumsiness or daredevil behaviour while skiing.
There are a plethora of options available to the writers - they will likely not be able to film everything exactly as they had originally planned, but that doesn't mean production would be halted, even with a substantial amount of the season left. It will just require some creativity and accommodations on their part. Heck, if Criminal Minds could keep going after the top-billed actor was (rather suddenly) fired, I can't see Tim Daly being temporarily and partially out of commission as being a major issue.
It was noted in the original reporting articles that production will not be halted. The issue seems to be whether he will be written out of most of the remaining few episodes (many here would enjoy that) or will the writers give him some kind of homebound injury story. It depends on what happens with his surgery. IMO
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6 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
Where'd you get the ACL damage from? His tweet said he broke his ankle and his knee. As odd as it sounds, you can actually break your knee. I think one of the US ski ladies broke their knees not too long ago, though I'm not 100% sure it was them or someone else.
Why would they end the show when he's scheduled to continue to appear?
Broken knee(kneecap) surgery primarily aims at preventing any shortening of the leg and achieving a rigid fixation with orthopedic screws which is a serious injury especially for someone his age with a long rehab. A broken ankle can be accommodated with a walking boot, but he will need crutches for a long time just for normal activity. He must have already filmed the majority of his remaining scenes for the season else production would have been halted or he will be written out of lot of remaining few episodes.
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14 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
With two broken legs and an injury that requires surgery, I don't see how he could not be in a wheelchair, at least for the first couple of weeks.
The Tim Daly tweet clarified his actual injuries which is good news for a quick recovery. A broken ankle and some level of ACL damage is a heck of lot different than two broken legs especially given his age. Not a very smart move for someone whose carefree activity could effect future show production and result in cast and crew losing their jobs. Something like this happening at this point in time to one of the leads could result in the network ending the series. IMHO.
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17 hours ago, buckboard said:
Does anyone know where the scenes in the Togo slave fort were actually filmed? I don't know whether the women would have had time to make the side trip there with all the business they had to work on, but it was a moving moment.
Chroma key TV technology. IMO. Recall from Season 1 when Elizabeth went to India and her speech at the factory before the earthquake. The plant in the background was green screen technology.
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On 1/12/2017 at 11:48 PM, shapeshifter said:
I could be wrong, but I thought there was a line about it having been three months since he had the heart attack.
The line was actually about a three week cruise watching whales. I would guess two months at most since the heart attack because the US House vote happened in the last episode before hiatus. When it was presented in the episode preview that Stevie was now his intern, I expected that he might work from home with her assistance for at least one episode, but not at all. In fact, he dismissed the intern position per se on her first day working with him.
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On 1/9/2017 at 1:42 AM, izabella said:
I've noticed that most shows these days have amped up the drama to 11 as often as possible, and cram all kinds of drama into shows. I think it doesn't leave room for character development, nor for stories to breathe a little. They've always had the strong family aspect in this show, and I think it adds so much that they do that, and I look forward to that more than the crises.
CBS Sunday Primetime:
11/20/2016 8:30pm NCIS-LA 10.43
11/27/2016 8:30pm NCIS-LA 11.39
12/18/2016 8:30pm NCIS-LA 10.37
1/8/2017 8:00pm NCIS-LA 10.41
11/20/2016 9:30pm MS (#7) 8.52
11/27/2016 9:30pm MS (#8) 8.97
12/11/2016 9:00pm MS (#9) 7.82
12/18/2016 9:30pm MS (#10) 9.05
1/8/2017 9:00pm MS (#11) 9.00
The sports overrun doesn't seem to effect NCIS-LA that much, but they do continue to crank up the drama most weeks especially with so many on location shootouts. The MS drop off this season might persist because of the much promoted VP misdirection and the lengthy election arc with all the hard-to-follow legal wranglings involved to elect an independent presidential candidate. IMHO.
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15 hours ago, hiccup said:
That must be it. It was confusing though, because Jose Campos mentioned to Henry (in the 1st episode of this season) that they were getting the old team back together, so I just assumed she would have been included in that.
Oh well, she wasn't all that important to me....lol...I just hate it when characters are dropped with no explanation.
Jill Hennessy (Jane Fellows) has a recurring role in a new Fox drama series 'Shots Fired'. She plays an affluent mother of a teenage son involved in a police shooting. The new ten-part drama series examines the dangerous aftermath of racially charged shootings in a small NC town. The upcoming 2017 series started filming last summer.
As far as her role on the Murphy Station team, her hawkish character gave credibility to the terrorist tracking story line while at the same time supporting Henry's role as an intelligence agent. IMO.
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On 12/20/2016 at 0:16 AM, babs1226 said:
I love every episode of this show. I love the characters and the intelligent dialogue. I will watch Tim Daly in anything and I've always liked Tea Leoni. I like to watch fiction to take me away from reality. I don't mind if my fiction isn't like real life. There are documentaries for that. jmo.
Best in health in the New Year to all MS fans (Russell too)!
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5 hours ago, CheshireCat said:
If fictional characters can't bring peace, who can? Real life certainly isn't going to and real life provides enough cruelty and drama and horror. I, for one, appreciate that I have at least a fictional world I can escape to.
In the context of a political drama like Madam Secretary, there are certain issues in which the writers can attempt to use real optimism because it doesn't wait on facts, but rather deals with prospects, especially those which can lead to a resolution of ongoing conflicts like persist in the Middle East that are constantly hindered by the nuclear threat to the world from Iran. In those cases, a fictional story is a waste of time. IMO.
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16 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:
Does anyone know if the lobbying law in Ohio is an actual fact? Because the way it was explained, I thought, would prohibit the lobbying of US Senators/Representatives on upcoming legislation too, which is a routine occurrence in DC. Oh well, stretch out the election drama one more week, at least. Poor Russell.
I thought they wrapped up the Israel/Iran deal way too fast, almost in a Hallmark Movie kind of way. That sort of thing drags on for a long time in real life.
The early confrontations and responses from both sides were real enough especially the F-16 jets on course against the Iranian nuclear site, but Juliet had the best take on the likely outcome. The compromise proposed for both sides during Dalton's ending speech was too one-sided against Israel's best interests given that Israel will never confirm the existence or extent of their nuclear weapons in order to protect their population.
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8 hours ago, MsJayTee said:
Does Zeljko Ivanek have known health problems?
The CoS having a heart attack is fairly likely. I remember watching a program called The President's Gatekeepers, which was about Chief's of Staff from LBJ onwards. Dick Cheney said he had a heart attack while he was still in his 30s.
SpoilerHealth rumors in 2010 about cancer. Again in 2014, but his PR group denied any issues. If the writers are not careful, the show will become about his health. Good point about Cheney, but that parallel would be giving the show creator (Barbara Hall) too much credit. IMO.
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2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
I just saw it as another reveal of his physical weakness — that he was too fraile to stand and drag the chair over.
His fall to the floor looks worrisome as well, but the viewers might be getting played by the writers after all this time. If the plan is to have him come back to work as CoS even part-time, that Dalton would agree to that makes no sense even if there is an election. A heart doctor would not let his patient return to work that quickly in that kind of stressful job without some kind of significant time jump which is why a recurring character role looks possible. IMHO
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On 12/11/2016 at 11:33 PM, secnarf said:
I think it actually did the episode a disservice, releasing ahead of time that Russell would have a MI in this episode. I spent the whole episode just waiting for him to drop, especially in any scene with Stevie. They've been telegraphing it for a while, but IMO it would have been better for it to happen without any more warning than we've already had. There's really no reason why Russell should have an MI in this episode compared to last episode or next week's episode, and I think pre-specifying that it would be in this episode took something away from the storyline.
And I wasn't one who minded being told ahead of time, heaven knows I love my spoilers, but I don't think it helped the story at all. I was just wondering if Russell would drop before or after he managed to give Stevie her letter.
SpoilerThe fact that the writers took so long to develop the Russell illness makes me wonder if he will now become a recurring character because of a real health issue given the new Stevie work connection forthcoming after the hiatus. I presume that him showing any physical changes on the show could be a result of him being clued in on the event in advance and presenting subtle clues for it. I do, however, hope the character is OK, and he'll be sticking around for a while.
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On 12/14/2016 at 7:56 AM, Netfoot said:
Perhaps they will fall in love!
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Spoiler"......and Stevie has an interesting first day as Russell's new intern, on MADAM SECRETARY, Sunday, Jan. 8." - The FutonCritic
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On 12/12/2016 at 2:48 AM, bros402 said:
Israel doesn't like Iran having any nuclear information - Mossad may or may not be responsible for multiple assassinations of nuclear scientists.
The Israeli military are configured to attack any air threat from the East before it reaches within ten miles of the Jordan Valley in order that Jerusalem escapes any damage. I doubt it was Mossad that took down that plane with the nuclear scientists, but rather if the Israel government felt the nuclear threat was genuine, they would attack Iran without US consideration which is what the Israeli Ambassador told Elizabeth during their meeting early in the episode. It will be interesting to see how the writers handle the conflict resolution in the next episode from the Israeli perspective in order to keep the story somewhat realistic. The scene with Elizabeth driving the interrogation of the scientists was by far the best part of the episode.
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S03.E13: The Beautiful Game
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