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Decent opening. There are always too many people and too much activity, even in the 2 hours, for me to keep it all straight. There were a couple people I liked, which I won't mention because that's a quick ticket to Ponderosa, and no one I really hated. Even Jelensky, with his glaring flaws only he couldn't see, was an entertaining flop and not a mean villain. I did think Bhanu resembles Flula Borg a lot. Even if he gets voted out, let's keep him around for the faces. He can be the new Eliza Orlins reacting to everything.

I don't know when this filmed, but his divorce and part-time parenting is a pretty new thing. He was posting some emotional memories recently regarding the late Diem Brown. He's also, for a reality tv person, had fluctuating weight over the years and is probably still a smoker. In short, he's been going through a lot this year.

I was glad to see Cara Maria back, despite her IRL weirdness and Paulie and whatever else. She comes across as very genuine. I've said it before, but it applies here...for all the editing shenanigans that the cast allege in their post-show twitter beeves, I do love that this show doesn't sugar coat some things. Cara Maria is not good at puzzles and they didn't edit it to a photo finish. (Or last week, when they showed what a brat Laurel is.) I'm good with Michele getting called down, even if she pulled it out. It justifies some of the attention on her to show she's somewhat capable at more than chat and wine. Not really down with the Nurys/Olivia angle, though...just feels too much like middle school and not enough like adults communicating. Which would be highly unexpected on this show, but throw some clothes into the pool then or something.

But what are the rules?

It felt like an old school episode with the unhinged arguing and the thrown drink. I miss those days. For me, Melissa has sort of a blank check, after TJ gave her his usual crap for quitting and then it turned out (and Clear Blue even advertises during this show!) that once again they'd let a pregnant woman compete without anyone realizing. I also agree with another poster upthread--the alliances don't seem to be thinking long term. Only if you're Nelly T do you get excited about running a final with your buds. If they do let Zara go long enough to get to into the final, it will be a nice montage when she gets a chance to redeem herself in the eating challenge after Wes convinced her not to drink the shake in her first American season.

As a longtime watcher (and fan, I admit it) I really enjoyed the elimination. It was almost fan service to us old timers that have been here a while, yelling at these kids to get off our lawn. I find Jordan insufferable at times, but he laid it on with a trowel tonight and I laughed. I do feel a bit bad for Ciarran, mainly in the way post-production offered him up as the sacrifice. But the whole bit really sold the champs hard.

Maybe I was just in the mood for it, but I really liked this preview special. Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, but it makes for a solid intro episode of the Challenge. I don't expect internal consistency from the people that brought us "All Stars" featuring the same people on the contemporaneous regular season, but I think this is a solid cast. If anything I might have cut a couple of the World Champion regional cast members for some other people that have been on the regular cast once or twice, but I also get that they need to appeal to more than my personal tastes. And as much as I love the vets that I have sort of grown up with, they aren't the same as they used to be. Fortunately for livers and for STI rates, I suppose. Once they are in relationships and have kids they aren't into partying shenanigans, nor do they tend to be all that strategic when they have a vet's bloc of votes, and then we just end up with endless 20 person heats in a challenge to fill the show. At least they haven't deigned to provide Banana's time for musical numbers with his ever present guitar (which also reminds me of Animal House and what I would love Wes to do.) To futilely try to recover the point, I'm optimistic for this season of conventionally attractive unconventionally employed people to do something entertaining.

Wholly agree, @Nashville. But one point in your post stuck out to me, where you distinguished "trial lawyer." There are so many different types of lawyer, within a narrow band that probably looks like from the outside, that some of the jobs have as much in common as chemist and model or civil air patroller.

I reached out to her early in my own legal journey because I was trying to do a project on law and reality tv. She politely declined, but I'll count that as a positive contestant interaction. The whole legal case and contrasting witnesses is quite interesting. It's almost a relic of a bygone era, when reality was new and we all* assumed it was "real" and not subject to manipulation. It's almost a "what if?" scenario if her claim had prevailed or gotten different settlement terms. *Speaking of the general public and not the wise sorts dwelling here.

Very interesting point. I hear similar takes on hard-charging female lawyers in practice where it's just accepted that is how some male lawyers are, so it doesn't really surprise me it carries over at all. I have a kernel of a thought this morning that I can't quite turn into a full-fledged theory, dealing with how male and female lawyers are presented on the show. The male lawyer players are perhaps less fleshed out in backstory pieces, but given more attention to (lawyerly) gameplay. The female lawyer players are more likely (at least in my recollection) to be a Survivor Character (tm) who happens to be a lawyer in the real world. Annoying Eliza, Curt Caryn and Chaos Kass are immediate callbacks, maybe in part because they are some of the only female lawyers to go deep into the game. Aurora on Exile was more about being out, a foster child, and being a physical threat in the game. (I mainly remember her as my pick early in the season to win. In my defense, I have a type.) And now my boss just looked into the office so I suppose I ought to get to real legal work instead of trying to form a coherent thought about lawyers edited into characters playing a game on tv.

Note: I'll probably touch on some winners here that I can't really call spoilers, but be warned. This week (S45 e3(? I think?)) (for those finding this long after) made me think about Survivor careers and success rates. It's a skewed data set because we often get ("boxer") jobs that don't really match up with reality for tv purposes. Lawyers often get sold as good at Survivor, but I think there is a mixed result, at best. I think the reputation of the profession in our culture far outstrips the actual qualifications as a contestant. Or as an actual lawyer, because it's a pretty wide swath of people in the profession. As far as my memory goes, Nick Wilson (then a public defender, later a prosecutor, currently elected to the KY House) and Yul Kwon (billed as a tech exec) were the only practicing lawyer winners. Wendell Holland has an impressive JD but didn't practice post-clerkship. John Cochrane went right to writing after law school. Brad Culpepper made a final, but physical prowess (as with all) certainly played a role. Eliza Orlins is noted more for being annoying. Bobby Mason chopped fish and then drank wine in the outhouse, but never cared to out-argue the rest of Casaya. Probably to his benefit. If I had to nail down a thesis to this rambling post, it's that "lawyers aren't a threat, unless they are likable people" but with over 600 people playing the game there are likely some notable and not-so-notable ones I'm glossing over. So I'm putting it to the hive mind--what lawyers stick in your memory? Are any there notable incidents of lawyering I'm forgetting? ETA: Before I started boring myself, I meant to mention other careers. Sales--currently Kaleb, past winners Brian H. and Natalie W., at a minimum...seems to have a good share of winner skills and success.

As a lawyer, even if I don't often admit it publicly, I am finding this season's little takes on the profession interesting. Especially that one guy's overestimation of his skills and everyone else's dismissiveness. (Taking some career meandering thoughts over to Past Seasons...)

It's social media, but... Yesterday on IG Wes tried to say the retirement was real and, if you didn't believe him, send $100 to his venmo and he'd return $1000 if he's on S40. He really played up the surprise that so many people bit at what he was writing off as a joke comment. I find it funny because AS4 and S39 are both in the can. Whatever they are doing for S40, they've probably already started with location scouting and calling challengers, so it is not all that big a leap with a baby on the way that he won't be available in 6 months for a season. S41, on the other hand...

Ah, memories...Faysal refusing to eat but somehow blaming it on Kaycee's knee when she was ready to go. If they keep coming him back, somehow he will eventually win, but probably only if it's a 1v1 against Josh. After which he will claim to be the GOAT. I was sad to see Wes go. He's had his dickish moments over the years (Fresh Meat with Casey) but when he leans into the hubris and turns it up to 12 for our enjoyment, he is quite a character.

So far, his grinning incompetence is a nice addition to the whiny people. I'm willing to give him a chance.

28? I took her to be about my age.

I was entertained, which is all I ask for. Sure, some people were annoying...but I also think that they cast for shock value, to overcome some of the loss of watercooler traffic as the show aged. If I were a betting newbie, they were not caught unaware about Jackson's medication a couple seasons back and I'm sure they expected Hannah would flake out early on this time around. CBS's core demographic is pretty much people who complain about Kids These Days. Why not give them some red meat to chew on with an unprepared tattooed vaper?

Longtime Premier League fan (who will be focusing on the Championship next year...sigh) and I am okay with a lot of the liberties it takes with football. It is all personal preference and I get why people who follow the sport can get annoyed by it and their disbelief unsuspended. For me, it's "So Help Me Todd" on CBS, because major plot points are things that absolutely cannot and do not happen in the practice of law, which is what I do during the day when not on here. Sports teams do kangaroo courts and hand off penalties (I think Pep is still yelling at Haaland about that) and, sure, no one really kicks it through the net, but I can live with some smattering of silliness. It's a lot like the ambiguity for me...personal preference...sure, some things may have been left open for sequels/revivals, but part of the theme of the show was people are multifaceted. So we don't know all of the endings, happy or not, but see glimpses that give us some answers without final resolution. I also liked Lost for that reason, though, so I may be alone at my party of one.

I liked it. As a soccer fan, there's so little I can find apart from game recaps about my team being relegated, so a soccer-set comedy with serious overtones about damaged people...exactly what I ordered. As a fan of women's' soccer, I'm especially hopeful for the future spinoff to be the start of the women's team (Hunt? Goldstein? Lawrence? Call me. I know things) but overall... It wasn't perfect, but I felt sufficient closure. Each person got something that they needed, even if it didn't tie everything off with a perfect bow where we got what we wanted for all of them. In the end, whatever the flaws in s3, it's a tv show that made me want to be a better person, which is something powerful I don't find in the other hours I'm glued to my couch.

I liked the ambiguity I felt about Beard's confession. Sure, it was opening to Nate to discuss forgiveness. But was it also cribbed straight from Les Mis? Perhaps because I enjoy Beard as a weird enigma I will just imagine that we will never know.

There should be a reward challenge near the end of the season where you win dinner with an attorney to help prepare your case if you make it to the final. I am willing to go hang out in Fiji and wait for the contestants. I'm good with the final and the winner. I didn't think Yam Yam had it going into the final, but he really worked the jury well and presented a consistent narrative. I think that was probably Carolyn's weakness, a la Amanda Kimmel--strong play all season, inability to sell the narrative.

I thought the bit with sick Margaret silently going to the office to do legal research on what Todd had done was a funny bit. I can pretend it's actually legal in another state if they just pretend to have a legal basis for it and not just throw it at us. (I'm still salty about the "resolve conflict by dividing the firm" nonsense.) It was also cute that the older brother finally made it to dinner and no one else really showed up for it. And congrats to Margaret on finally being 1/3 of the firm title and not just 1/3 of its revenue. Another stretch hard for my lawyer brain to accommodate. I don't want to psychoanalyze without a license, or give you an autobiography, but I like Allison's storyline. I can understand someone, even a seemingly with it adult, being pushed into a life they didn't really want. So it's interesting that she and her mother both have some parallels about finding themselves. Decent first season. Uneven at times, but finished on a higher note than the start.

This was a weird episode for me. It made me think of Jesse and Karla last season, who were main characters until they suddenly weren't there anymore without great fanfare or drama. I don't know that I'm a Carolyn fan, per se, as much as I felt that even if she was overplaying her hand, I wanted something other than a straight up vote at six to edge her out. (Also, I can't remember yesterday, so memories of previous players may be fuzzy.) Yet voting her out would have been a wise move for all involved and the drama was well justified. It just felt...uneven?...in some way that there was still a Tika focus even if Heidi and Jamie had a lot on the line.

Whether his father was merely stern or actually abusive, I don't think there's a question that Nate was traumatized by his poor relationship with his father. The best intentioned parenting in the world can still be ham handed or land poorly on a child that needs something else. There seems to be a running theme of fathers not available to their children, be it by death, Man City obsession, stern parenting, etc., and I think one of our takeaways as this plays out is going to be how the adult children react and shape themselves. But Nate is a little wanker and we are running out of time for resolution of his issues in any meaningful way short of Deus Ex Lasso.

Both of them returned from undergrad to do filming while away at school. Sierra is now away in Aus at vet school and Maya seems to split her time with trying to break into entertainment work in LA. I don't think she wants to be a vet.